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Old 06-23-2015, 08:41 PM
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Hello, I've noticed midi recording/playing on PT 10 really can't take much and often glitches (as in it hesitates for a second then throws all the notes out at once so timing is way off at times).

I'm in the process of upgrading to 12 but I really would like to fix 10 with this midi problem. I have no probs with recording audio or even using lots of plugs, just midi hell.

Pro Tools 10
Mac Pro (Nice Titanium case before Flower Pot case) 16gb ram
OSX 10.8
Command 8 Control Surface
Sound Devices USB Pre2 Audio Interface

Korg Controller Keyboard connected via USB to Mac Pro.

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Hello, I've noticed midi recording/playing on PT 10 really can't take much and often glitches (as in it hesitates for a second then throws all the notes out at once so timing is way off at times).

I'm in the process of upgrading to 12 but I really would like to fix 10 with this midi problem. I have no probs with recording audio or even using lots of plugs, just midi hell.

Pro Tools 10
Mac Pro (Nice Titanium case before Flower Pot case) 16gb ram
OSX 10.8
Command 8 Control Surface
Sound Devices USB Pre2 Audio Interface

Korg Controller Keyboard connected via USB to Mac Pro.

T h a n k s !
Could use better system info like specifically what version of OSX, what exact MacPro model you have, exact version of PT10, etc. What are your buffer and cpu settings in PT10? Have you optimized your setup?
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In addition to the above questions, isn't the Sound Devices unit quite old? Just wondering if it's too old to have a proper/current driver?
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More info could help.

What model is the Korg controller? Do you have another controller to test with?

Can you launch Pro Tools with the N key to select the 'aggregate' engine to see if that behaves differently?
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Hey Guys, sorry about the delay, here is the info you mentioned…

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Could use better system info like specifically what version of OSX
I use 10.8.5 So I will be able to run v10 and v12 on same Mac.

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what exact MacPro model you have
Mid 2010
Processor 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
Memory 16 GB 1066 MHz DDR3 ECC
Graphics ATI Radeon HD 5770 1024 MB

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exact version of PT10
I've been running v10.3.7 but will be updating to v10.3.10 before i install v12 so it'll be compatible.


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What are your buffer and cpu settings in PT10?
HW Buffer Size = 512 Samples
Host Processors = 4 Processors
CPU Usage Limit = 85%
Host Engine = Ignore Errors is checked
Minimize Additional I/O Latency = Not Checked
Delay Compensation Engine = Short
Plug-in Steaming Buffer = Size Level 2
Optimize for streaming content on audio drives = Not Checked


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Have you optimized your setup?
Yes, I went through Avid's optimization checklist such as disable Wifi and much more.


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In addition to the above questions, isn't the Sound Devices unit quite old? Just wondering if it's too old to have a proper/current driver?
Well this unit has been out for a while but it's made from a rock solid company plus it uses no 'drivers' that are loaded by the customer because it's a core audio device on Mac. Now on a PC yes it would need drivers but I feel it's ultra solid on my Mac. Also this unit doesn't have MIDI so I don't think it is even a factor in my MIDI problem. (hopefully that is) It's always been a fantastic sounding and behaving unit for audio.

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More info could help.

What model is the Korg controller? Do you have another controller to test with?

Can you launch Pro Tools with the N key to select the 'aggregate' engine to see if that behaves differently?
It's a Korg K49 Midi Controller. I don't have another keyboard controller to test with but I do have V-Drums which do the same thing.

To launch Pro Tools with the N key Im guessing I just hold down the N key while starting Pro Tools? I tried that and I didn't notice any different outcome. The Midi still choked after noodling around for a minute or so. Maybe I didn't successfully start in Aggregate Mode?


Here are some facts and things I've done:

Ever since getting the Mac Pro I added a PCI Midi card to help share Midi duties in effort to avoid a MIDI problem like I am facing. I've tried the controller in both built-in midi and the PCI card and it behaves exactly the same on choking.

I also have a Command 8 controller for Pro Tools which I plan to keep because I really dig this thing. I only use this for the faders, mutes, solo, and transport buttons. I've never ran audio through this unit but love it for what I use it for. Hopefully it's not causing any of this trouble. I couldn't see eliminating it as long as I use PT.

Audio Interface = Sound Devices USB Pre 2 (Uses USB)
Control Surface = Command 8 (Uses USB)
Keyboard Controller = Korg K48=9 (Uses USB)
Drums Controller = Roland V-Drums (Uses USB) But is usually off so it can't be the culprit.

That's the only 4 usb things I have connected. I've tried switching them around between internal MIDI and the PCI Card MIDI.

PT 10 chokes on Midi when even just playing without recording.

I thought about adding a regular MIDI card to the MAC Pro so I wouldn't be using USB for MIDI on the controller. Does that sound good? I looked and couldn't find a PCI Midi board for MAC that doesn't have USB on it though.


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No help? I'm sorry about the delay in me responding but I've been dealing with my father getting a new pacemaker and having to drive him to Little Rock Arkansas to have it done. He's back home and all is good so I'm ready to tackle my Pro Tools 10 Midi choke problem. Any further help? Jeffro? Anyone?
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PT 10 Chokes bad on Midi keyboard input
Hello, I've noticed midi recording/playing on PT 10 really can't take much and often glitches (as in it hesitates for a second then throws all the notes out at once so timing is way off at times).

I'm in the process of upgrading to 12 but I really would like to fix 10 with this midi problem. I have no probs with recording audio or even using lots of plugs, just midi hell.

Specs:

I've been running v10.3.7 but will be updating to v10.3.10 before i install v12 so it'll be compatible.
Mac Pro (Mid 2010)
Processor 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
Memory 16 GB 1066 MHz DDR3 ECC
Graphics ATI Radeon HD 5770 1024 MB

I also use a Command 8 Control Surface

Audio Interface is a Sound Devices USB Pre2 (No Midi on this)

Korg K49 is my Controller Keyboard connected via USB to Mac Pro.

PT 10 buffer and cpu settings:

HW Buffer Size = 512 Samples
Host Processors = 4 Processors
CPU Usage Limit = 85%
Host Engine = Ignore Errors is checked
Minimize Additional I/O Latency = Not Checked
Delay Compensation Engine = Short
Plug-in Steaming Buffer = Size Level 2
Optimize for streaming content on audio drives = Not Checked

I've also went through Avid's optimization checklist such as disable Wifi and much more.
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First of all... glad your Dad's okay!

One of my rigs is similar, though that's running Pro Tools HD 10.3.10 on OS 10.7.5 (it's a Mac Pro1,1 with 10 GB memory).

MIDI keeps up just fine for me and I've used a dozen different controllers with it. Currently using an Axiom 49. Have used built-in USB ports and a powered USB Hub.

My typical settings:
HW Buffer Size = 256 Samples
Host Processors = 3 Processors
CPU Usage Limit = 99%
Host Engine = Ignore Errors unchecked
Minimize Additional I/O Latency = unchecked
Delay Compensation Engine = None
Plug-in Steaming Buffer = Size Level 2
Optimize for streaming content on audio drives = unchecked
Since this is HD I also have Disk Cache = Normal and Voices = 48 (1 DSP)

Any other background tasks (Time Machine, Anti-virus, etc.) running?
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I wonder if there are too many devices pulling voltage from the USB bus? Maybe try a powered USB hub for the keyboard and iLok?
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