midi regions and deleting notes

[Shatzer]

Originally Posted by YoRugMan

I'm not taking any of this as arguing - I'm keen to try and help.

ok, in the case of drums, if you're using a VI with multi-sampled or multi-layered samples, it does make a difference.

I use East West Quantum Leap SD2. Every time you play a sample, especially while holding the key for different lengths of time, the instrument plays a different sample of that source.
This is even more noticable with tonal instruments, like a piano. You can hold the note for one type of sound, or tap it quickly to produce staccato - two very different ways of performing.


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Ok i get what you're saying. I use Steven Slate Drums with Konkakt 3 and i've never had this issue. I don't use the keyboard also. I have everything triggered and that runs into kontakt. Its just all the midi instruments i've ever used, i've never ran into this problem ever, so it was very hard to understand what you were talking about. It would make it tedious tho, if say, you were holding the A key, trimmed the region but the midi note was still just as long as it was before, and then in the next bar you needed to put another A note there. You see what i'm saying?

[Shatzer]

I guess i'm just so use to how Ableton works (Pre Ableton user) that i loved how their midi was set up and would do what i was talking about. I still think PT has a ways to go on that end. Great audio features tho.

[YoRugMan]

Originally Posted by Shatzer

I guess i'm just so use to how Ableton works (Pre Ableton user) that i loved how their midi was set up and would do what i was talking about.

And that's one of the many reasons why I consider Pro Tools to be of higher quality than the competition.

If you were to think of all the top Hollywood film composers for a moment: their job is to make the appropriate emotions jump out of the screen, which is something that is simply not possible if you were to watch a movie in mute.
The right emotion entirely depends on the way it's performed - imagine watching a sad scene in a movie, which would usually comprise of long notes - imagine that same piece of music played as staccato.




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[Wavelabs]

Originally Posted by Shatzer

I guess i'm just so use to how Ableton works (Pre Ableton user) that i loved how their midi was set up and would do what i was talking about. I still think PT has a ways to go on that end. Great audio features tho.

So far I have (not) found another sequencer that beats Reason.
(Still Reason User)

And sure as hell, Protools midi sequencer really needs a lot of work.

[filosofem]

Originally Posted by Shatzer

Why is it when i want to shorten the region, it keeps the midi note going beyond where i shortened it?

Maybe for the same reason as to when you separate a Region the note contained isn't separated either.

filosofem

[Wavelabs]

Originally Posted by filosofem

Maybe for the same reason as to when you separate a Region the note contained isn't separated either.

filosofem

It should be though.

[Shatzer]

Originally Posted by Wavelabs

It should be though.

Exactly.

[DigiTechSupt]

Originally Posted by Shatzer

Exactly.

No, it shouldn't.

The reason for this is that let's say you record 4 bars and have a long, held note at the end that extends into bar 5. Now lets say you want to repeat that 4 bars (with the held note) 4 times. If you trim the region to 4 bars, your held note at the end (in Pro Tools) still is held, but you now have region that's exactly 4 bars, making it easy to repeat, duplicate, etc.

If it trimmed that held note when you trimmed the region, as you're asking for, it will now no longer play back as originally played. You then have to deal with working with a 5 bar region - try fitting that into a 16 bar section of your song. Doesn't work so well.

Some people actually WANT the behavior in Pro Tools - for the reason I gave above (and many others).

[YoRugMan]

....and as I've been trying to hint at, if Pro Tools were to behave like this it would quite literally make it a less professional product - because it's a feature you'd expect from a FREE music making program, like those you get on a disc from the front cover of a magazine - a feature that makes things TOO simple, and at the same time hinders the capabilities of the software and thus adversely affects the final result.

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[Wavelabs]

Originally Posted by DigiTechSupt

No, it shouldn't.

The reason for this is that let's say you record 4 bars and have a long, held note at the end that extends into bar 5. Now lets say you want to repeat that 4 bars (with the held note) 4 times. If you trim the region to 4 bars, your held note at the end (in Pro Tools) still is held, but you now have region that's exactly 4 bars, making it easy to repeat, duplicate, etc.

If it trimmed that held note when you trimmed the region, as you're asking for, it will now no longer play back as originally played. You then have to deal with working with a 5 bar region - try fitting that into a 16 bar section of your song. Doesn't work so well.

Some people actually WANT the behavior in Pro Tools - for the reason I gave above (and many others).

Im sorry, but that makes no sense what so ever.
If your strings extend to bar 5, then the region should be part of that extension.
This way you don't have hanging notes on the sequencer when trying to arrange the song.

Last thing I need is hanging notes outside of the boundaries of the region
Specially when arranging the song.

and If you are worried about bar 5 next sequence patterns,
this is why there is "over dubbing".

Even some sequencers lets you "layer" regions, Its called "Layering Sequences"
Some people call it layering regions.
so you CAN move bar 5 region without destroying bar 4 extended notes or region.


I would of thought Digidesign would of known that by now.....lol


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