midi regions and deleting notes

[Shatzer]

Why is it when i want to shorten the region, it keeps the midi note going beyond where i shortened it? For example, i grab the end of the region and slide it to the left to shorten the region. It doesn't shorten the midi note it just stays outside of the region. Wouldn't it make sense to shorten the midi note along with the region? Or am i missing something here? As it is now, i shorten the region and then have the grab the midi note and shorten that too.

[Wavelabs]

I totally agree with you on this.
This has happend to me so many times,
I just want to pull my hair out of my roots.

No matter how many times you shorten the region it seems
to have a life of its own and either go back to the thing you did not want in
the first place, or makes it even longer.

This is another reason why I posted my post about Midi.
And the reason why Digidesign needs to fix this quick.

[YoRugMan]

A region represents where notes begin.

there are many reasons I can think of why not trimming the end of notes when trimming regions is a good thing, and I suspect that they would out-weigh the reasons for.

For example: if you want to trim a region, let's say because you're unhappy with the performance that you want to trim off, then you're suggesting that you also want to alter the note that was part of the performance that you are happy with.

Why would you want to do that?


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[Shatzer]

Originally Posted by YoRugMan

A region represents where notes begin.

there are many reasons I can think of why not trimming the end of notes when trimming regions is a good thing, and I suspect that they would out-weigh the reasons for.

For example: if you want to trim a region, let's say because you're unhappy with the performance that you want to trim off, then you're suggesting that you also want to alter the note that was part of the performance that you are happy with.

Why would you want to do that?


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That's exactly what i want to do!! I don't know why you wouldn't want it to do that. It's not altering the note, it's just trimming it so i can add in another region, or loop or whatever. It's especially bad for looping the same region because you get all this pile of mess that should have just been trimmed with the region.

[Shatzer]

On another note, it would be exactly the same as audio. You're trying to trim the audio you wouldn't want the wav extending past the region would you? It's quite pointless in my opinion to have to trim both the region and the midi data.

[YoRugMan]

Originally Posted by Shatzer

On another note, it would be exactly the same as audio. You're trying to trim the audio you wouldn't want the wav extending past the region would you? It's quite pointless in my opinion to have to trim both the region and the midi data.

You've almost described another reason not to do it....

Imagine for a moment that a MIDI region is an audio region, and the audio is a sound that has a long reverb tail all the way to the end.
If you were to trim that, the reverb sound would come to an abrupt end, instead of tailing-out as it was originally meant to do.

The length of a MIDI note is just as important as any other aspect of the note - a shortened note becomes an entirely different note!

You could easily see what I mean if you were to do this, and switch to the Score view before and after.

With me?


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[filosofem]

Originally Posted by Shatzer

Why is it when i want to shorten the region, it keeps the midi note going beyond where i shortened it?

Maybe for the same reason as to when you separate a Region the note contained isn't separated either.

filosofem

[Wavelabs]

Originally Posted by filosofem

Maybe for the same reason as to when you separate a Region the note contained isn't separated either.

filosofem

It should be though.

[Shatzer]

Originally Posted by Wavelabs

It should be though.

Exactly.

[DigiTechSupt]

Originally Posted by Shatzer

Exactly.

No, it shouldn't.

The reason for this is that let's say you record 4 bars and have a long, held note at the end that extends into bar 5. Now lets say you want to repeat that 4 bars (with the held note) 4 times. If you trim the region to 4 bars, your held note at the end (in Pro Tools) still is held, but you now have region that's exactly 4 bars, making it easy to repeat, duplicate, etc.

If it trimmed that held note when you trimmed the region, as you're asking for, it will now no longer play back as originally played. You then have to deal with working with a 5 bar region - try fitting that into a 16 bar section of your song. Doesn't work so well.

Some people actually WANT the behavior in Pro Tools - for the reason I gave above (and many others).