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Old 04-18-2003, 12:11 AM
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Default new pt online training

what do you guys think

is it a scam

is it worth it
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Old 04-18-2003, 01:46 AM
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They had some free tests that I tried out a couple of months back, look for them, maybe they still have them, and it will give you an idea.

In my opinion, it's a scam. You can learn just as much with the manual. There's nothing that difficult about PT, I mean, you didn't take lessons to operate your VCR. Well this is just a fancy multi-track VCR.

And then, once you know every little detail about how to operate PT (that you can find in the manual), you'll have more to learn, such as tips, tricks.... but you can learn all that from users right here, from other users you know or you'll meet in studios....

Just my two cents.
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Old 04-20-2003, 07:26 AM
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Originally posted by Kickin.da.speaker:
They had some free tests that I tried out a couple of months back, look for them, maybe they still have them, and it will give you an idea.

In my opinion, it's a scam. You can learn just as much with the manual. There's nothing that difficult about PT, I mean, you didn't take lessons to operate your VCR. Well this is just a fancy multi-track VCR.

And then, once you know every little detail about how to operate PT (that you can find in the manual), you'll have more to learn, such as tips, tricks.... but you can learn all that from users right here, from other users you know or you'll meet in studios....

Just my two cents.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Well, I'll give you the alternative viewpoint. Disclaimer up front: I wrote the online course, and have been teaching music production and engineering for a long time. Just so you know where I'm coming from...

The Pro Tools 101 online course is most definitely not a scam. It provides thorough, structured basic training in Pro Tools operation for anyone who is new to working with digital audio workstations. You'll work through a variety of exercises, share experiences with other students, see real examples via streaming QuickTime movies, and do projects from scratch which will be graded by your instructor. It's a well-organized and effective experience that will get anyone who's starting out up to speed fairly quickly.

Is the course right for you? It depends. If you've been using Pro Tools for a while and are fairly comfortable making your way around, then you probably don't need PT101. The 200-level courses (not yet online, but available at various training centers) might make more sense. Or, you can certainly learn on your own and pick up tips from other users.

In theory, I guess you could learn as much by reading the manual as you could from a course. In reality, that's often not the case. The manual is short on real-world context, doesn't give you a whole lot of feedback, doesn't let you know what's particularly important, and doesn't give you a schedule and due dates to structure your learning. Yes, the information is all there, but if reading the manual is such an easy way to learn, then why isn't every Pro Tools user an expert? To say "There's nothing that difficult about PT..." is not entirely true, and conveniently ignores the position of a new user who can easily get overwhelmed by all of the features and options.

In the Music Production and Engineering Department at Berklee, we've had Pro Tools rigs operating for a long time, but only recently integrated this stuff into the curriculum. Of course, students have been using the gear on their own, and many have developed good proficiency. However, some of the students I've observed have huge holes in their knowledge, bad operating habits, and are off-base on some fairly important concepts. This is the flip side of learning on your own and getting advice from others who aren't necessarily experts. You often learn just what you need to know (or think you need to know) and some of the things you learn are out to lunch. I've seen some great advice on the DUC, but also comments that are simply incorrect. As a beginning learner, how do you separate the good from the bad?

There are many ways to learn, but don't put down the alternatives you didn't follow -- they might be just as good... or even better.


PS: the tests you've mentioned don't tell you a whole lot about the courses.
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Old 04-20-2003, 09:22 AM
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where are these courses? i love online training stuff. it's so nice to see it done in front of you.
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Old 04-20-2003, 09:34 AM
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In the Music Production and Engineering Department at Berklee, we've had Pro Tools rigs operating for a long time, but only recently integrated this stuff into the curriculum.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Really? PT 4 was pretty heavily integrated when I was there 6 years ago... I guess it depends on your definition of 'recently'.

I have to say even though I spent a couple of years in a very well equipped technology music program, I learned most of my ProTools skills by just throwing myself into projects and forcing myself to find the answers I needed in the manual - and by finding as many other users I could and observing their techniques and asking them questions. Of course, if you live in a small or non-music industry town, that's probably a little harder to accomplish, but I don't know that a course about ProTools is the best thing to do. I would probably recommend a course or book in Digital Audio facts and theory - once you understand how Digital Recording works (regardless of what software you use) it's much easier to understand ProTools or any other computer based music software out there.

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Old 04-20-2003, 11:27 AM
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> In the Music Production and Engineering Department at Berklee, we've had Pro Tools rigs operating for a long time, but only recently integrated this stuff into the curriculum.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Really? PT 4 was pretty heavily integrated when I was there 6 years ago... I guess it depends on your definition of 'recently'.

I have to say even though I spent a couple of years in a very well equipped technology music program, I learned most of my ProTools skills by just throwing myself into projects and forcing myself to find the answers I needed in the manual - and by finding as many other users I could and observing their techniques and asking them questions. Of course, if you live in a small or non-music industry town, that's probably a little harder to accomplish, but I don't know that a course about ProTools is the best thing to do. I would probably recommend a course or book in Digital Audio facts and theory - once you understand how Digital Recording works (regardless of what software you use) it's much easier to understand ProTools or any other computer based music software out there.

Adding my 2 cents to the pot...

Slim
<hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">To my recollection, six years ago Music Synthesis had a course, I did a week or two in "Digital Audio Applications," there was a smattering here and there in a few engineering courses, and all production projects were done on two-track or multitrack tape. These days, it's way different.

There's an important distinction between the goals of a college program like Berklee versus an online training course. In a four-year program, we try to provide a broad, well-rounded background that prepares students for lifelong learning. In a ten-week training course, we try to provide a practical, well-balanced experience that gives students specific skills.

Hopefully, the fact that you did your time at Berklee made you better prepared to learn Pro Tools later on. Not everyone has that advantage...
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