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Re: Allenstein OctaPC(8-core) and Quadzilla(4-core)
I think if I had the current Tyan board I would upgrade when the new chips are available-thats a no brainer since its going to be cheaper than building a whole new rig.
Otherwise I would wait till the Phenom FX chips are released. This will give you the power of the new chips on the Nvidia 680i platform with regular unregistered memory. The Core 2 Quads have definitely shown the registered ram is significantly slower than regular (non ECC) RAM. Native Quad VS MCM.I suspect Barcey's improvements will be more from the new architecture than any advantage of being a Native Quad core chip. Couple this with unregistered RAM and a integrated memory controller and I'm sure it will be great FSB and MCM may be the equivalent of 2 tin cans and a piece of string but it completely dominated the market for a year and a half on the power of the Cores new architecture. I will be interested in how well Phenom does in a single socket processer enviroment since thats were my interest lies I assume it will be slightly better than the Penryn core chips. I also suspect that if it follows the current trend we may not see it till damn near the first of the year or later. I think AMDS marketing stratgy is relatively sound, They go after the the 4P and up server market since thats where the big savings in energy efficiancy lies... this was their biggest gain 2-3 years ago and their biggest loss in the last year or so. 2) While they meed to make up profits in the desktop sector I think they will try to shoot for the FX series next Its basically a Barcelona with a revised memory controller and as Barcys production comes on line and clock speeds scale up this is going to be the best way to create a buzz. Plus the Quad FX guys have been waiting for a killer proc for at least a year. I think AMD will try to have these out by Xmas. 3) As badly as they need to make profit in the mainstream desktop sector their recent price cuts have stopped the loss in market share and started to turn things around for them. The big OEMS love their pricing......The biggest challenge here is going to be making more profit by increasing yields from moving to 65nm. They need to make a profit of 250 million dollars each and every quarter till 2012. Thats not going to be easy. I expect to see some restructuring stating the 1st of the year. With a need to make a profit in all sectors It will be interesting to see what they push out next Phenom or FX. I hope they sell like hot-cakes we need the competition between to 2 companies. We have all made out from the CPU wars, Its been great and should continue to do so. I don't so much about 8 Cores. I want the new guy coming into PT to be able to build a quad for under 600.00 The real world performance is here regardless of what you prefer to run. we can run insane plug counts at low buffers. Indeed its the buffer limitations holding us back at this point And yeah it really is time for a native version of PT, Logic 8 looks DAMN good, REAPERS moving fast. Keep in mind that this stuff needs to be tested with PT also. Theres a reason the "Core2 Duo thread anybody got one working?" is titled that way Having said that I bet there are a lot of happy campers with X2 and X2+ boards around here come January or February
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Re: Allenstein OctaPC(8-core) and Quadzilla(4-core)
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...so, should I spend the $500 on Structure...or Logic 8? Great to see some DAW war action. Digi needs a big comeback and hopefully not like the "Britney" one. But hey, I have no problem jumping ship. It's a very competitive world out there and if something comes along thats better and increases my production and workflow...I'll have to check it out. I'm a big PT fanboy but... Shane
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Re: Allenstein OctaPC(8-core) and Quadzilla(4-core)
If I can't go NATIVE I'm going Commando.......
Whens NAMM?
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Scott Formerly Hobo Wan Kenobi Core 2 Specs Page ASUS P6T6 Revolution | i7 930 | 12GB OCZ DDR3 1600 7-7-7-20 | PTLE 10 | CPTK | 003 | Presonus D8 | 11Rack | Alesis AI3 | Presonus HP60 | Mercury + Studio Classics | Sound Toys | MasseyPack | Axiom61 | MAudio Keystation Pro 88 |
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Re: Allenstein OctaPC(8-core) and Quadzilla(4-core)
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I've been on BIOS Version 2.00 for a few weeks now with no problems. I didn't see anything on the BIOS download page's "New Features and Fixes" that looked like it had to do with quad core support, though. It's good to know I'm ready. Wonder when the new quads will be available to purchase... Jeff_C |
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Re: Allenstein OctaPC(8-core) and Quadzilla(4-core)
YODA Has crossed over to the Darkside!
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Re: Allenstein OctaPC(8-core) and Quadzilla(4-core)
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Oh well, times change, technology advances, and all good things must... Strange though, my lightsaber is still glowing green, but I've seen a few flickers of red in it recently... Shane (at this point in time I still have full intent on completing the 8-core)
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Pro Tools Power User Editing Give your plug-ins a facelift...and skin 'em! __________________ "Music should be performed by the musician, not by the engineer." Michael Wagener 25th July 2005, 02:59 PM __________________ Pro Tools|HD Native 9.0.1 | Pro Tools|HDX 10.2 | Studio One | REAPER 4.22 | HD OMNI | HoboMac Pro 2.26Ghz Quad-Core | W7 Ultimate 64-bit |
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OctaPC
I'm back after working with my Quad computer for a while, and while I'm retooling for another run at active non-music-related employment, I'm thinking about the excitement of building an 8-core Pro Tools computer.
I still need to read the whole thread, but if someone's feeling helpful, could they answer these questions? 1. Has someone built an 8-core using the AMD Barcelona processors yet, and the specs on p. 1 of this thread? 2. Did the Barcelona processor just drop in price recently? I thought it was more expensive than what newegg.com lists it for now. 3. Would the 8-core theoretically let me run 48 tracks at 88.2 with channel strip plug-ins on each track? 4. Registered v. non-registered memory? Non-registered memory is faster? In functional terms, would I notice the difference, or both memory types fast enough for everything you'd do with this computer? 5. If I quell this initial urge, is there a "better" time during the calendar year to put together a computer, when manufacturers typically drop prices? Put another way, there's no important reason for me to do this today, except for my curiousity. 6. Will this computer outpace my 002R's capabilities? Enough questions for now. We're living in exciting times! Thanks, Nick
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Re: Allenstein OctaPC(8-core) and Quadzilla(4-core)
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WOW, this is a bad day fellows..... maybe he will get board helping the mac clan with all their problems and come back to us!! shane, when you are ready to get a move on the next systems (8cores) i think i am ready to go, lets do it! any idea on time frame???? though i must say my machine is still rocking, no problems yet.... so i guess THE ASUS HAS PROVAILED!!! kidding guys, i know that had to be a terrible thing to deal with for way to many of you.
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Re: Allenstein OctaPC(8-core) and Quadzilla(4-core)
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Pro Tools Power User Editing Give your plug-ins a facelift...and skin 'em! __________________ "Music should be performed by the musician, not by the engineer." Michael Wagener 25th July 2005, 02:59 PM __________________ Pro Tools|HD Native 9.0.1 | Pro Tools|HDX 10.2 | Studio One | REAPER 4.22 | HD OMNI | HoboMac Pro 2.26Ghz Quad-Core | W7 Ultimate 64-bit |
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Re: Allenstein OctaPC(8-core) and Quadzilla(4-core)
I don't know what all the fuss is. I am still rockin out with my original Tyan Tiger and AMD 260's. Never ran into a plug count issue, no latency issues, am loving HD2 on my Quadzilla. I love the PDC, but most of all I LOVE the ability to import plug-ins routings, aux tracks and sends from other sessions into existing sessions. Its made the mixing of 5 songs a complete piece of cake. Once you get all the routings, plugins for the drums, bass, etc, its so simple to import them into the next song file. Saves hours in the mixing process.
I also still haven't seen a problem with my Tiger Mobo to suggest that its defective. The ONLY problem I had this weekend was that halfway through a mixing session, for some strange reason, I was unable to change any of the settings of the SSL Channel plugin. Had to close PT and re-open the session. Are the Tyan issues with the "original" quadzilla spec or the later one that uses the F-socket board? Its still remarkably cheap to add an HD card to an existing PT Quad system to get truely Native functionality...although I suspect that the source of my SSL plugin had to do with the fact that it was RTAS and not TDM. |
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