No Pro Tools 13 for me unfortunately.

[Barry Johns]

Originally Posted by deanrichard

Also, Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny, and trickle down economics are all real.

Ever worked in the corporate world?

I get it, it may be in vain, but I'm an optimistic kind of guy!

[deanrichard]

My comment about the corporate world is pertinent. Your optimism will never be rewarded as long as Avid has a CEO and other leadership whose primary goal is raising stock value, rather than delivering a great product to their customers. And maximizing revenue instead of earning it.

The decision to outsource PT development was not in your best interest, and the decision to go to a subscription model was all about maximizing revenue. Even the failed cloud collaboration efforts were about creating another revenue stream. That was an enormous (mostly wasted) effort.

Every company wants to be profitable. But the better ones do so by offering a superior product.

Originally Posted by Barry Johns

I get it, it may be in vain, but I'm an optimistic kind of guy!

[TOM@METRO]

Originally Posted by deanrichard

The decision to outsource PT development was not in your best interest, and the decision to go to a subscription model was all about maximizing revenue. Even the failed cloud collaboration efforts were about creating another revenue stream. That was an enormous (mostly wasted) effort.

It seems there may be a learning curve at play here. They may well come around after a bit of trial and error. I remain somewhat optimistic as well.

[deanrichard]

If they can keep the same development team intact in Poland, there is definitely hope. Many of the outsourcing organizations use the same MO to save money as consulting firms do in the US. They hire lots of college grads and pay low wages, and so have high turnover. But when you have a complex technology like PT it's imperative that the developers have experience, and important to keep the team intact.

Originally Posted by TOM@METRO

It seems there may be a learning curve at play here. They may well come around after a bit of trial and error. I remain somewhat optimistic as well.

[T-Low]

After testing a HD PCIe native card for 2 weeks in Dec.
many combinations from PT12.4 - 12.7 various OSX versions
on my full-blow 6 core Mac Pro with 4 SSD and 32 GB RAM, i went back to PT 10 / HD3

Avid support was quick, very cooperative
but unfortunately we cant find a solution for multi tracking at 64 buffer
on my rig, without the -9173 errors

PT12.4 works for mixing ITB at 512 buffer, but not for tracking, compared to HD3 TDM

I guess the simple reason is:
there is more money in selling a fancy, trade name DAW
with cloud, loops, free plug ins etc.
even if there are many good, affordable Apps out there ( Reaper, Logic , Cubase )

than offering a rock-steady multitrack DSP driven DAW / Audio Engine
with lowest latency, ADC, tight MIDI
at a reasonable / higher prize ... which i would pay / and payed for many years

yes i thought about HDX , but the -9173 problems seems to be the same .. take look at the DUC

Where do we go from here ?

[ArKay99]

Originally Posted by Barry Johns

The main reason I keep complaining is, I'm simply not giving up!

I believe one way or another Avid will listen and react accordingly!

You know the definition of insanity is making the same mistake over and over again while expecting a different result?

[Southsidemusic]

Originally Posted by T-Low

After testing a HD PCIe native card for 2 weeks in Dec.
many combinations from PT12.4 - 12.7 various OSX versions
on my full-blow 6 core Mac Pro with 4 SSD and 32 GB RAM, i went back to PT 10 / HD3

Avid support was quick, very cooperative
but unfortunately we cant find a solution for multi tracking at 64 buffer
on my rig, without the -9173 errors

PT12.4 works for mixing ITB at 512 buffer, but not for tracking, compared to HD3 TDM

Where do we go from here ?

A HD Native (pcie) card will never do what a HDX card does so
Comparing those two cards are not fair so if you wanna track with HD12 like you did with TDM then you need atleast one HDX system. Not a HD native

[Southsidemusic]

Very True

Originally Posted by ArKay99

You know the definition of insanity is making the same mistake over and over again while expecting a different result.

[Bob Olhsson]

Every U.S. public corporation developer had to either move to subscriptions or offer free updates sold as part of hardware due to tax laws.

[T-Low]

Originally Posted by Southsidemusic

A HD Native (pcie) card will never do what a HDX card does so
Comparing those two cards are not fair so if you wanna track with HD12 like you did with TDM then you need atleast one HDX system. Not a HD native

Fair enough
but 26 tracks in record with disk cache on SSD / 32 GB RAM
Clean PT session
without any Plug ins in the session and no 3rd party plugins installed
ADC off
should work without - 9173

P.S
tracking at 96k / 24bit , buffer set to 64