Avid Pro Audio Community

Avid Pro Audio Community

How to Join & Post  •  Community Terms of Use  •  Help Us Help You

Knowledge Base Search  •  Community Search  •  Learn & Support


Avid Home Page

Go Back   Avid Pro Audio Community > Pro Tools Software > Tips & Tricks

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-29-2001, 08:09 AM
JLEpperson JLEpperson is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 474
Default WavesL1-TC MasterX-Apogee Mastering tools

I have all three of these plugins. I need some advice on how to use them together. Who comes first....Who does the dithering? Which one to get slammin volume? ...Can I use combinitations?

In mastering, I usually start with some compression first, then eq, then s1, then outboard manley compressor, then L1. I TC Any Advice would be great.
Thanks
JE
__________________
JLE
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-29-2001, 03:56 PM
snoopy snoopy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Hollywood CA
Posts: 744
Default Re: WavesL1-TC MasterX-Apogee Mastering tools

I go from MasterX to L1 to Mastertools. Since Mastertools has UV22, no dithering should be used.
__________________
Colin Miller
Teaboy Audio Recall Sheets
http://teaboyaudio.com
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-30-2001, 08:45 AM
666 666 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 267
Default Re: WavesL1-TC MasterX-Apogee Mastering tools

1. trash your MasterX unless you want a bad sound.

2. use L1 only for limiting just before Mastertools. In fact the dither algorithm of L1 has a side effect: the sounds becomes a little bit liquid, fluid and distant.
3. Use absolutely Master Tools as dithering/final plugin. The best dither in the industry + many useful tools.

------------------
somewhere in the planet
__________________
somewhere on the planet
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-30-2001, 10:06 AM
Nick Batzdorf Nick Batzdorf is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: Sherman Oaks, CA USA
Posts: 665
Default Re: WavesL1-TC MasterX-Apogee Mastering tools

Try MasterX on percussive things. You won't want to trash it, believe me.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-30-2001, 07:10 PM
Carlos Ruiz Carlos Ruiz is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Rio Piedras, Puerto Rico
Posts: 3
Default Re: WavesL1-TC MasterX-Apogee Mastering tools

Hello maybe you can help me. I'm a singer songwriter who is trying to put out a CD and I'm using Pro Tools 24 mix plus to do everything.

The problem is I don't know what to do once I have a pretty good mix of the song in the session.
Here's what I do:
1 - Mix the songs in Pro Tools 24
2 - After I mix I bounce to 16 bit as split (2nd option of the menu),
3 - Open a new 16 bit session,
4 - Import the bounced session,
5 - Normalize to -1db,
6 - Open Toast by adaptec,
7 - Drag file into toast,
8 - Burn CD

The problem is that the cd once it's burned it is too low in volume.

What do I need to do or buy in order to master the songs. My goal is to be able to burn my CD and have it sound like a Pro (or at least as close as possible.

I haven't bought any additional Plug ins after buying the Mix Plus. I'm open to suggestions as to what to buy or do.

Your help is most appreciated.
Thanks,


Quote:
Originally posted by 666:
1. trash your MasterX unless you want a bad sound.

2. use L1 only for limiting just before Mastertools. In fact the dither algorithm of L1 has a side effect: the sounds becomes a little bit liquid, fluid and distant.
3. Use absolutely Master Tools as dithering/final plugin. The best dither in the industry + many useful tools.

Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-01-2001, 02:57 AM
666 666 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 267
Default Re: WavesL1-TC MasterX-Apogee Mastering tools

Dear Carlos Ruiz,
this way or working creep the song.
1. normalizing a 16 bis file causes calculations that definetly destroy all the quality.
2. normalizing just add a few power. The peaks in the music are so strong that normalizing can cause just...nothing.

3. Yu have to limit, or maximize, that means cut the peaks (with no audible effect) and then normalize, but all in the 48 bit domain , to avoid destroing your music.
4. The only way to do this is using one of those plugins (L1, Maxim...)
5) But this is not enough to have the same level of the industry. You have to compress every track, every buss, and the master and then maximize. It's a compressing war, where everyone can win but the music.
6. Bounce ont time only. Every time that you bounce you lose quality. If you don't have enough DSP to put all those plugins in the master (for exemple C4+L1+Mastertools), just bounce to a 24 bits file and then make a nes session with all the faders at 0db and add those plugins in the master fader.

------------------
somewhere in the planet

[This message has been edited by 666 (edited May 01, 2001).]
__________________
somewhere on the planet
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-01-2001, 07:50 AM
JLEpperson JLEpperson is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 474
Default Re: WavesL1-TC MasterX-Apogee Mastering tools

What about using a Manley Vari Mu as a compressor in the final mastering chain?
Thanks
__________________
JLE
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-01-2001, 02:52 PM
snoopy snoopy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Hollywood CA
Posts: 744
Default Re: WavesL1-TC MasterX-Apogee Mastering tools

1. MasterX only sounds bad if used improperly.

2. Bounce to disk does not degrade sound quality (assuming you retain the same bit depth/sample frequency).

I personally have found mastertools to sound better than using the dither on masterX. The dither on masterX sounds harsher to me personally.
__________________
Colin Miller
Teaboy Audio Recall Sheets
http://teaboyaudio.com
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-01-2001, 03:18 PM
sidereal sidereal is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 1969
Location: san francisco ca usa
Posts: 380
Default Re: WavesL1-TC MasterX-Apogee Mastering tools

Are you guys throwing this all on the Master Fader (w/o automation of course)? I'm thinking the Analog Channel would be a good one to add...

1) Some slight compression of choice (ren, BF)
2) Master X
3) Analog Channel
4) Mastertools

Currently I'm only using some slight compresson followed by Master X for bounces because I'm afraid of overprocessing and losing much of the life of the mix. Wondering what you all think of the above. Too much?
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-01-2001, 04:07 PM
JLEpperson JLEpperson is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 474
Default Re: WavesL1-TC MasterX-Apogee Mastering tools

Is it ok to max out the inputs on MasterX. I want to make my track as loud as possible without bring up all aux sub groups.
Thanks
__________________
JLE
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
MasterX and V6.4.1 lennieh Pro Tools TDM Systems (Win) 0 09-23-2004 02:04 PM
MasterX and HD Renie Pro Tools TDM Systems (Mac) 9 03-09-2002 04:44 AM
The same as TC MASTERX... lucian Pro Tools TDM Systems (Win) 1 08-13-1999 06:16 AM
Tc MasterX plugin Echo studios Pro Tools TDM Systems (Win) 3 08-09-1999 04:24 AM
MasterX for NT - no go johnedmonds Pro Tools TDM Systems (Win) 0 05-18-1999 06:45 AM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 06:46 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited. Forum Hosted By: URLJet.com