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Old 05-03-2014, 12:37 PM
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The reason why I get frustrated so often using pro tools as a creative tool is because of things like today. I launch PT 10 today to get creative and lay down some music and all the sudden it thinks I have no iLok. So now instead of being creative I've spent 20 minutes uninstalling and reinstalling ilok drivers.

The fact that this type of problem keeps happening across versions (i've beein buying and upgrading since PT6) and the basic features of the software barely changed other than a few accoutrements is infuriating.The first time any real substantial developments have happened are with PT11, which I was happy to buy, but FFS I am so frustrated with this kind of nonsense always happening. I mean PT11 is really just stuff that everyone else already got to market.

The fundamental flaw is that Avid developers don't think like the Steve Jobs of the world and consider the emotional component of running software.
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Old 05-03-2014, 01:25 PM
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could it be the usb port?
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Old 05-03-2014, 02:27 PM
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The reason why I get frustrated so often using pro tools as a creative tool is because of things like today. I launch PT 10 today to get creative and lay down some music and all the sudden it thinks I have no iLok. So now instead of being creative I've spent 20 minutes uninstalling and reinstalling ilok drivers.

The fact that this type of problem keeps happening across versions (i've beein buying and upgrading since PT6)
If you've been reinstalling iLok drivers because of random disconnections since PT 6, then this indicates a system/hardware issue. If it was universal, we'd all have this same problem. I myself would start troubleshooting the hardware. First up would be the USB ports and then the actual iLok itself.

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Old 05-04-2014, 12:53 PM
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I apologize for my negative vent.

I haven't had this exact same issue since 6, but I have had random issues with the cache and had to trash preferences on fully qualified macs and windows machines. I don't use USB other than the ilok, and reaper, logic, and cubase all play fine with iLok assets. I've had to uninstall and reinstall every single time I've upgraded or updated pro tools. Yes I do all the turning off of AV and yes this happens on both platforms at different times.

Again I'm also happy to pay for software but where is the vision for a truly inspired user experience?
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Old 05-04-2014, 04:19 PM
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Did you defeat USB power management? (That isn't a Pro Tools problem, btw...)
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Old 05-04-2014, 08:54 PM
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I think you guys are missing the intent of the OP. He is saying that he has had myriad problems with PT since version 6 and they are creativity and productivity killers. He is suggesting a more stable, easier to work with user experience more suitable to musicians as I read it.

Jenk2k - correct me if I am wrong.
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I think you guys are missing the intent of the OP. He is saying that he has had myriad problems with PT since version 6 and they are creativity and productivity killers. He is suggesting a more stable, easier to work with user experience more suitable to musicians as I read it.

Jenk2k - correct me if I am wrong.
The intent I understood and I think we can all vouch for that one. There are many long winded manual procedural workflows that could definitely be reduced to one or few commands for a better user experience.

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Old 05-05-2014, 10:28 AM
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Point taken. BUT PT 6-8 didn't require an I-lok authorization, so if your USB power management wasn't disabled, it wouldn't have mattered. It'll take you 2 minutes to go into device manager and disable USB power management, if you haven't done it already. What that does is turn off the USB ports if it "thinks" they're not being used. Which is exactly what your description implies.

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Old 03-01-2015, 12:58 PM
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Haven't been back to this thread in some time, but I think it's funny how we all at times deal with this stockholm syndrome defending PT. I have never, ever, ever had to deal with ilok reinstalls on any other DAW, irrespective of OS.

However, as mentioned above, this is one of many in a pattern of workflow annoyances that Avid to this day has never addressed. USB power management was disabled all along, btw, because I followed the extensive list of optimizations very carefully.

I found the mood at the Avid booth at NAMM to be awkward and the best thing about it was seeing Herb and Dave. They have nothing to offer right now but more hassles. After installed Presonus Studio One, I have to say, I doubt I'll use PT much longer.
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it's all personal experience
I spent 5+ years running a 100+ PT rigs in a school and not iLok problem with software
the only 2 problems I had were, 1 iLok got snapped in 2 and my boss left a box of of them next to his trash can and the cleaning crew tossed them out never to be seen again
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