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Old 12-11-2019, 08:39 AM
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Yeah sorry but I agree with Sardi here. We record big popstar artists from the US and Europe aswell and anything over 64 is not gonna work with these seasoned artists. They would hear a ”delay” as they say or say they hear themselves twice when trying to explain as ”latency” is not the word these youngones use.

So 256 is unreal but if you (Jfreak) work with church and hobby people then maybe but in the studio with real artists anything over 64 is a no go. Period!
Thank goodness someone gets it.
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Old 12-11-2019, 08:42 AM
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And i'll also go back to.. other DAWs have zero issue even on the weakest computer in my sig, an old quad core, monitoring multiple tracks through the DAW at 32 buffer with multiple FX busses.. So.. why shouldn't PT be able to do it with equally good performance? it's a matter of coding..
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Old 12-11-2019, 08:54 AM
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Also saying your converters define the "zero buffer" latency which means with crappy interface your zero buffer might be worse than good interface with bigger buffer. How hard it is to understand? Human ear is only concerned about milliseconds and has no idea where they come from
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Old 12-11-2019, 09:11 AM
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256/48000=5.33ms

You need to have a lousy AD/DA to go over the "about 10ms" threshold that is good enough for monitoring.
each way..

that means 10.66 ms and then there are core audio safety buffers, ad/da latency and also added driver latency depending on interface...

You need the full RTL figure when talking about monitoring incoming tracks.. the output is what's needed for VI tracks but we have gone well beyond those now in our discussion.

Look at this USB interface, 22 milliseconds at 256.
Now, that was just the google hit I got from the search I did, and tascam are not known for their drivers, but for a USB interface it's not far off.. they are all loaded with safety buffers in their drivers..
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=174445
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Old 12-11-2019, 09:14 AM
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Also saying your converters define the "zero buffer" latency which means with crappy interface your zero buffer might be worse than good interface with bigger buffer. How hard it is to understand? Human ear is only concerned about milliseconds and has no idea where they come from
You are the one that is not understanding.. what is it with condescension in these forums?

Anyway, I will copy paste my post yet again which I keep getting replies to that have nothing to do with it:
"Other DAWs have zero issue even on the weakest computer in my sig, an old quad core, monitoring multiple tracks through the DAW at 32 buffer with multiple FX busses.. So.. why shouldn't PT be able to do it with equally good performance? it's a matter of coding.."

BTW, Sardi and Southside music and myself are correct, you are incorrect. Simple as that.

PS, guess what? PT adds safety buffers of it's OWN with core audio, so in fact, latency is even HIGHER than it is in almost all other OS X daws at the same buffer size.
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USB interface with 22ms roundtrip is useless for monitoring
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Just sayin' since 2002 I have had success with DigiDesign/Avid/Apogee interfaces using 256 buffering. How hard it is to understand that does not mean USB interface with 22ms roundtrip?
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Earliest digital pianos had +10ms roundtrip and artists could use them. If someone says monitoring must be well below 5ms I must ask her what brand perfume she would prefer to get the show going on
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This thread would be a lot easier to read without people who don’t use or understand large VI count workflows chiming in. Too much static and irrelevance.
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Old 12-11-2019, 11:09 AM
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This thread would be a lot easier to read without people who don’t use or understand large VI count workflows chiming in. Too much static and irrelevance.
LOL.. or large track counts. Cheers bud
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