Recording and Ooops question PT HD OVERLAPPING REGIONS

[punchiest]

(THIS THREAD IS ALSO ON THE LE FORUM AS WELL, I OWN BOTH LE AND HD AND NOTICED THIS ON BOTH PLATFORMS....I AM JUST LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER. THANKS)

I recently switched from Cubase to Protools.

In Cubase, if I have a track already recorded, and by accident (because of a record bus accidentally initiated or something like that during a series of punch ins while on another track with the same rec input initialized) I record over it, I can recover it easily.

OK...that sounded confusing...

Say on track 10 I have finished vocals, all comped and awesome!
Then on track 42 when I am doing guitar solos, by accident, I armed the recording bus on 10 and striped over it whilst doing guitars on 42.
Since track 10 is so far out of the field of view on the monitor...I never realize what I am doing until it is too late and I have a killer guitar solo recorded on 42.....and now on track 10 I guess.....OVER MY VOCALS!!


So far, I have noticed that if you record something over something in Protools...unless you happen to be within your undos and you can live without the awesome stuff you did while making that mistake...you are screwed. The audio and all your edits are just friggin' gone....buh-bye. The guitar player throws something at your computer and your tower catches on fire. After that, the label asks for a refund on all the studio time since your harddrive burned in the fire.


In Cubase, with the same scenario, on track 10, the new regions (objects) would appear in a darker color than the others on the same track. This indicates that there is audio below it. Cubase just plays the audio on the top (visible) layer of the track. I can then begin peeling away at the layers til I am at the layer, in this case, the bottom layer (my original track)...all comped and beautiful.
My body at that point begins to relax and I can continue my session slowly wiping the small amount of sweat I had when I realized my booboo. However, due to the whole layer thing, my guitar player never knows what happened... no fire, no refund, and everybody gets a coffee.



Where is this option in Protools?
Does such an animal exist?



If not, can someone at Digidesign put in that incredibly awesome and useful feature?

I really hope this software has that feature or some way similar to be able to recall your tracks. Not only is it useful for fixing mistakes (even days after making them) but also for doing some easy comping since you can spread that overlayed/overlapped stuff in lanes to see what you are doing. I refuse to believe the industry standard does not have a feature that works as well as this.

Can someone please help? I have not actually made this mistake on a session yet...I just noticed it during one of my many "does Protools do this?" tests.

Thanks

[Craig F]

a) don't use destructive recording
b) if a part of the original region is on the track just pull the region back out
c) pull it back on the timeline from the region list

[punchiest]

Thanks for your reply.

1. If the audio is already edited, when you pull the region out, it will not include your edits.

2. I do not have destructive record on.

3. What if I don't know the file name of the region or the take number off the top of my head? Region list will also not help me recall any delicate edits. Everything would have to be reconstructed.

Does this feature exist or does Digidesign need to hire some German software engineers?

[Carl Kolchak]

use "import session data" & import the original track from one of the auto backup copies.

[punchiest]

Will this import the track with all the unrendered/comped edits?

[Dism]

Originally Posted by punchiest

3. What if I don't know the file name of the region or the take number off the top of my head? Region list will also not help me recall any delicate edits. Everything would have to be reconstructed.

Does this feature exist or does Digidesign need to hire some German software engineers?

Hold on...

Don't blame Avid for your mistakes. Name your tracks, and don't record over existing tracks... I'd say that's recording 101, regardless of DAW choice.

That being said... you can always try to recover from a backup session, in the backups folder. Whatever you did a few minutes ago, will be exactly what the session looks like.

[Carl Kolchak]

so long as you import from a session that was auto saved after you comped, but before the guitar.
organise by time & set auto backup to every 2 mins.

[punchiest]

I understand that....

Again, thanks for your response. But DISM, with all do respect, sticking up for Avid when a feature is needed and not available is a little silly.

This feature has less to do with making mistakes and more to do with being able to utilize different ideas in a layered format on the same track without having to create new tracks and hide them.

It's like an auto-playlist feature...without loop record.

Shouldn't audio that is being striped over find itself in some sort of playlist lane for future use?
I would think that making anything even remotely destructive on a DAW makes it kind of caveman in its approach.

I mean Sony Vegas, Nuendo, Cakewalk, Cubase, Samplitude....they all do this lanes/layering thing.

Does Protools?

Or do you just have to be REAL careful when working with the most expensive thing out there?

[Craig F]

you need to learn about Playlists

Pro Tools was written for guys that came from recording on tape were if you record over the wrong track you lose it for ever

[formfunction]

Originally Posted by punchiest

Or do you just have to be REAL careful when working with the most expensive thing out there?

What a concept!! You ever drive a ferrari?

What happens to the Cubase layers after u strip them away? Ff