Outboard reverb to c24- submix?

[wayner]

Simple question, I think. How do I patch my stereo reverb into the c-24? In doing a little reading it sounds like I use the submixer but I am not sure. Something like this?: L R out of reverb to submix in 1-4 via D-sub cable, and 1/4" submix L R outs back in to reverb 1/4" L R ins?

Then what? what's the assign/routing? I'm trying to practice vocals on channel one with an outboard reverb cause plugin reverb turns off when I select low latency monitoring.

Thanks!

wayner

[jre3132]

I assume you don't want to record your reverb? I don't know that the submixer is the way to go. In the setup you've named, you'll create a loop (which you don't want). In fact, I don't know that the c24 is the way to go with what you're wanting. How are you getting your vocal to the external reverb? Have you gotten that far yet? What interface do you have (this is key)?
Ii I was going to use an external verb, I would:

1. run your wire from I/O output 3 to your reverb unit's left input
2. run your reverb output to the I/O's Analog 3 and 4 input
3. create a send (NOT an insert) on the vocal track (we'll say Analog 3)
4. create a stereo aux and assign the input to Analog 3-4

you should be able to hear more verb the more you turn up your send. This setup won't work if you have an Mbox though since you only have 2 i/os.

[wayner]

Hi thanks for the reply. No I havn't wired anything yet. I know I can simply put the reverb in the path from the mic, but I was looking for a way to reverb all three mics. And no I don't want to record with the reverbed signal. In fact, for practice, I'm just turning everything on and arming the channels to hear myself.

As for running from the I/O, I have the digi 002R and it looks pretty full, as the mics go into my Mackie Onyx 800, which goes to the 002R with the optical cable (to give me another 8 channels). The C24 goes into the 8 lin ins of the 002R with a D-sub. So the 002R has no more inputs. That's why I was thinking I should be able to use the c24's submix somehow to insert an outboard effect that I then patch whatever signal I want to have reverb over to there.

So is my only recourse to go from the mic to the reverb to the Mackie A/D Pre? I have channels left on the c-24 and on the Mackie, just no I/O's

Thanks again!

wayner

[jre3132]

you could create the same send on all the vocal tracks within protools which would cover getting verb on all 3 of your mics. I dont' recommend you run the mic directly into the reverb unit, but I guess if you can't get it any other way, that might work.

The problem with using the submixer is that you'd have to patch in the submixer output into protools (which would put you running it into the input of your i/o). It doesn't just internally patch in the audio.

if the c24 and mackie are both hooked to the i/os of the 002, I don't see why you can't go the way I routed. You could send all 3 mics from another output on the i/o and run the outputs of the reverb unit to 2 pres of either the c24 or mackie piece (just make sure the line input is selected instead of mic for the verb return). maybe there's a better way, but I'm not seeing it.

[wayner]

" You could send all 3 mics from another output on the i/o and run the outputs of the reverb unit to 2 pres of either the c24 or mackie piece (just make sure the line input is selected instead of mic for the verb return)."

I get the second part of that- reverb out to Mackie in, but not the first part regarding the reverb in. You think you could give me your email addy and I send you an image of my wiring diagram and you walk me through it?

[jre3132]

sure, I'll be glad to help.

[stainless]

what I do is-

from the aux out I patch to a headphone amp, which then allows me to insert verb or whatever on an individual headphone mix.

This way the control room mix (or headphone) is not affected, and if there happens to be other folks recording, they don't necessarily have to have verb (or whatever) in their mix

This does obviously require a HP amp, but for me, as I periodically have the entire band in, I can just verb the VOX without it being an all or nothing

Stainless
Sacramento

[rorytherhino]

something i just noticed about the control 24 which doesn't seem to be mentioned in the guide is the port simply labeled i/o, looks like a breakout midi connection. Does anyone know what it is?

[wayner]

jre3132 get my wiring diagram? Too bad you can't post attachments here, we could do a lot with that

[wayner]

Re "something i just noticed about the control 24 which doesn't seem to be mentioned in the guide is the port simply labeled i/o, looks like a breakout midi connection. Does anyone know what it is?"

A nine-pin serial I/O port is provided for Digidesign diagnostic purposes.

Now back to wiring in an outboard effects, pls! On the headphone thing, that would reverb the entire mix, though. A workaround, yes, but not ideal. Since I have a third my my entire board going unused, I'm stuck on finding a use for it (submix). Meanwhile, I’m still working on getting this:
send all 3 mics from another output on the i/o and run the outputs of the reverb unit to 2 pres of either the c24 or mackie piece.

OR I live with latency and toss my old midiverb! I’m tossing a furman echo, so why not! (Also tossing, well craigslisting, a Tascam M-308 mixer and 88 ½” analog tape unit