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Old 01-31-2010, 03:46 AM
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Old 04-15-2010, 02:05 PM
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Hi All,

I hope you're all well! I've done a fair bit of reading about compatible chipsets, motherboards etc etc and just want to check my conclusions are sound!

I'm after providing some specs to our I.T department where I work to allow them to price up 15 new machines for our music tech department, so really want to get this right before I commit!

We will be running M Powered 8.0.3, with an M-Audio 2496 PCI soundcard on Win XP Pro 32bit on a dual boot, so XP can be tweaked to our hearts content. The machines will generally be used for heavy sequencing (lots of RTAS instruments) and audio mixing, but generally not much audio recording as this will be done on two separate machines.
  • From what I can gather, the Asus P5B running the P45 chipset seems to be giving good stability, this information is from replies at least a month old, would you guys say this is still a safe bet?
  • CPU wise, it seems the Q9550 is a good choice with regards bang per buck, is this still the case?
  • I read somewhere in this thread that large capacity GPUs can have an adverse effect, is this correct, or have I misinterpreted this? I was under the impression PT prefers you to run a separate GPU
  • 4Gb of RAM would be best with the /3Gb switch sorted? Any particular makes?
  • 2 HDDs, one system, one audio. Preferably SATA, any particular makes or models? I know the Seagate stuff used to be well regarded?

Any answers or time committed to reading etc is genuinely appreciated

Thanks guys, Peace, Love and good happiness stuff!
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Old 04-15-2010, 03:17 PM
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From what I can gather, the Asus P5B running the P45 chipset seems to be giving good stability, this information is from replies at least a month old, would you guys say this is still a safe bet?
The P5Q series is a better choice, if you are not going with the much faster i7 CPU.

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· CPU wise, it seems the Q9550 is a good choice with regards bang per buck, is this still the case?
Yes, if you are not going with the much faster i7 CPU.

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· I read somewhere in this thread that large capacity GPUs can have an adverse effect, is this correct, or have I misinterpreted this? I was under the impression PT prefers you to run a separate GPU
Yes on both.

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· 4Gb of RAM would be best with the /3Gb switch sorted? Any particular makes?
Patriot extreme R2 has been fine.

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· 2 HDDs, one system, one audio. Preferably SATA, any particular makes or models? I know the Seagate stuff used to be well regarded?
Western Digital Black drives with 32MB cache are the current favorite.
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Old 04-15-2010, 03:45 PM
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Hi All,

I hope you're all well! I've done a fair bit of reading about compatible chipsets, motherboards etc etc and just want to check my conclusions are sound!

I'm after providing some specs to our I.T department where I work to allow them to price up 15 new machines for our music tech department, so really want to get this right before I commit!

We will be running M Powered 8.0.3, with an M-Audio 2496 PCI soundcard on Win XP Pro 32bit on a dual boot, so XP can be tweaked to our hearts content. The machines will generally be used for heavy sequencing (lots of RTAS instruments) and audio mixing, but generally not much audio recording as this will be done on two separate machines.
XP is very stable at this point. I strongly advise building at least one machine and testing it fairly extensively before you commit to building a bunch of them.


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From what I can gather, the Asus P5B running the P45 chipset seems to be giving good stability, this information is from replies at least a month old, would you guys say this is still a safe bet?
P5B is long discontinued but any of the P5K series should work. I recommend a fullsize ATX board with a graphics slot.

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CPU wise, it seems the Q9550 is a good choice with regards bang per buck, is this still the case?
If you can find one they are excellent.

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I read somewhere in this thread that large capacity GPUs can have an adverse effect, is this correct, or have I misinterpreted this? I was under the impression PT prefers you to run a separate GPU
Thats true. Smaller is better. Sometime in the future when PT is running on 64 bit Os that will be less of an issue but at the moment it is. PT's video requirements are extremely modest

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4Gb of RAM would be best with the /3Gb switch sorted? Any particular makes?
Just avoid bargain basement desktop memory and buy some solid midrange performance memory. DDR2 1066 with timing of 5-5-5-15 at 2.1 volts is best. Barring that DDR2 800 with timings of 4-4-4-12 at 2.1 volts is your next best choice.

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2 HDDs, one system, one audio. Preferably SATA, any particular makes or models? I know the Seagate stuff used to be well regarded?
Look for the WD Black with a 32MB cache or the corresponding Seagate. Avoid any drive with "Green" or power saving features


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Any answers or time committed to reading etc is genuinely appreciated

Thanks guys, Peace, Love and good happiness stuff!
All things considered you may want to look at a Socket 1366 i7 build instead of a Core 2 Quad. They are a lot more powerful. The Core 2 Stuff has the advantage of being very inexpensive at this point though.

Hope that helps
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Old 04-16-2010, 01:10 AM
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TOM@METRO and Sunburst79,

Huge thanks for taking the time to reply, much appreciated. So I get the feeling that a better long term investment would be a socket 1366 board with an i7 CPU, especially considering the potential memory advantages of running Windows 7?

Let me explain my situation a little further. I work for a college teaching Music Tech and have recently convinced the management that they need to upgrade our ailing NEC desktops. Our I.T department will not let me order the parts etc, as internal policy dictates they have to do it, and are pretty convinced they can spec a machine from Dell to do the job (they have a bulk buy education account with Dell). I'm trying to convince them that self building will probably be cheaper and allow us to spec the machines exactly as we want them (albeit with a time and man hours premium added!)

Another quick question for you then, how is Windows 7 with PT M-Powered 8? Presently all our machines will be built using XP, but at some point soon Windows 7 will be rolled out across the entire college, so if it's stable it may be worth considering this option now.

Also any particular graphics cards you'd recommend?

Once again, thank you so much for your time (i'd buy you guys a beer, but it's a long trip!)

EDIT: Looks like I best pop over to the i7 thread for a read..........

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Old 04-16-2010, 01:57 AM
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TOM@METRO and Sunburst79,

Huge thanks for taking the time to reply, much appreciated. So I get the feeling that a better long term investment would be a socket 1366 board with an i7 CPU, especially considering the potential memory advantages of running Windows 7?

Let me explain my situation a little further. I work for a college teaching Music Tech and have recently convinced the management that they need to upgrade our ailing NEC desktops. Our I.T department will not let me order the parts etc, as internal policy dictates they have to do it, and are pretty convinced they can spec a machine from Dell to do the job (they have a bulk buy education account with Dell). I'm trying to convince them that self building will probably be cheaper and allow us to spec the machines exactly as we want them (albeit with a time and man hours premium added!)

Another quick question for you then, how is Windows 7 with PT M-Powered 8? Presently all our machines will be built using XP, but at some point soon Windows 7 will be rolled out across the entire college, so if it's stable it may be worth considering this option now.

Also any particular graphics cards you'd recommend?

Once again, thank you so much for your time (i'd buy you guys a beer, but it's a long trip!)

EDIT: Looks like I best pop over to the i7 thread for a read..........

Yes, the i7 thread is a good read, and an i7 solution should be considered. As mentioned, the graphics card will depend on the OS as a 64bit system with adequate RAM will not have the same limitations as in a 32bit system.

As far as Windows 7/64 is concerned, The PT drivers are in beta and should be available soon. Some of us are having good luck with the beta drivers and others are having a bit of trouble so I am uneasy about recommending this right now.

I prefer ATI cards with 256-512 MB of RAM.
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Old 04-27-2010, 07:22 PM
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Our I.T department will not let me order the parts etc, as internal policy dictates they have to do it, and are pretty convinced they can spec a machine from Dell to do the job (they have a bulk buy education account with Dell). I'm trying to convince them that self building will probably be cheaper and allow us to spec the machines exactly as we want them (albeit with a time and man hours premium added!)
I'm actually looking at a Dell Studio XPS 8100 I7 I was hoping to get some opinions on it, but you might be able to use it as well


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320-1075
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I highly recommend the Dell Precision Workstations over their consumer line. They are intended for this kind of work and have tech support people who can relate to what we do.
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You can probably get away with this computer if you buy and install a new OS and get rid of the proprietary bloatware. You may need a new TI Firewire card and driver.

All-in-all, you will do much better for less money with a custom build following the guidelines in the i7 thread.
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Figured I'd post the Dverb results for my setup.

Dell Inspiron 530 w/XP SP3
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