Use Make Mix window faders adjust MIDI velocity?

[yonkiman]

I've devoted a single midi track to each drum in my EX-Drummer to make programming easier. I also assumed that the fader would control the MIDI velocities of each channel (MIDI output = MIDI note velocity * fader setting) so I could ajust the drum mix using the faders. That's not happening by default - is there a way to make it happen? I couldn't find anything in the ref manual but I'm hoping...

[DC-Choppah]

MIDI velocity is different for every note. Your VI is using different samples, timbres, etc depending on how hard you hit the key (velocity).

The slider in PT controls the audio gain of the whole channel.

If you want to add/subtract and offset to the velocity, open the MIDI editor, open the velocity lane, grab all the notes and then you can slide them up and down while preserving the relative differences.

[yonkiman]

Thanks. I know that's one way to do it, but it sure would be easier if I could mix using the faders in the mix window like I mix everything else (including live drums). I'm a little surprised this isn't an option - doesn't seem like it would be too much effort to implement.

[Bill Denton]

Originally Posted by yonkiman

Thanks. I know that's one way to do it, but it sure would be easier if I could mix using the faders in the mix window like I mix everything else (including live drums). I'm a little surprised this isn't an option - doesn't seem like it would be too much effort to implement.

Don't take this too seriously...

doesn't seem like it would be too much effort to implement

The words of someone who is not a computer programmer...

[yonkiman]

Originally Posted by Bill Denton

Don't take this too seriously...

doesn't seem like it would be too much effort to implement

The words of someone who is not a computer programmer...

I'm glad you added the disclaimer at the start...since I AM a programmer.

[musicman691]

Originally Posted by yonkiman

Thanks. I know that's one way to do it, but it sure would be easier if I could mix using the faders in the mix window like I mix everything else (including live drums). I'm a little surprised this isn't an option - doesn't seem like it would be too much effort to implement.

Can EZ Drummer output to separate aux/audio tracks? In other words don't route everything to a master out but to separate aux/audio tracks. BFD 2/3 can do that, Superior Drummer can do that as well as a host of others. If it can than you can mix edrums the same as acoustic drums.

[albee1952]

Originally Posted by musicman691

Can EZ Drummer output to separate aux/audio tracks? In other words don't route everything to a master out but to separate aux/audio tracks. BFD 2/3 can do that, Superior Drummer can do that as well as a host of others. If it can than you can mix edrums the same as acoustic drums.

Yes it can(and I always use it that way)

[yonkiman]

Originally Posted by musicman691

Can EZ Drummer output to separate aux/audio tracks? In other words don't route everything to a master out but to separate aux/audio tracks. BFD 2/3 can do that, Superior Drummer can do that as well as a host of others. If it can than you can mix edrums the same as acoustic drums.

Yes, I could mix in EZ Drummer, but what if I changed my drum instrument from EZ Drummer to something else?

There are definitely other ways to do it (as albee1952 says above, "The cool thing about digital is; there's 4 ways to do everything. The bad thing about digital is; there's 4 ways to..........."), but the appeal to me was the symmetry of doing it from the same mixer as all the other channels and being independent of the instrument.

I definitely appreciate all the suggestions, though - thanks all!

-Fred

[musicman691]

Originally Posted by yonkiman

Yes, I could mix in EZ Drummer, but what if I changed my drum instrument from EZ Drummer to something else?

There are definitely other ways to do it (as albee1952 says above, "The cool thing about digital is; there's 4 ways to do everything. The bad thing about digital is; there's 4 ways to..........."), but the appeal to me was the symmetry of doing it from the same mixer as all the other channels and being independent of the instrument.

I definitely appreciate all the suggestions, though - thanks all!

-Fred

A problem with doing it your way is not everyone handles velocity the same way. Know that some developers have different samples at different velocity levels. You can never mix independent of an instrument in any kind of audio work - to do so is to court a bad mix and sound. Also remember that not every drum program uses the same note mapping either for each articulation. Some use GM mapping, some use IMAP, some have their own note mapping routine. You're going to have to make changes when you change drum programs.