Daw sum cd by Lynn Fuston very helpful !!

[RKrizman]

Originally posted by Haigbabe:

So up to this point, while some files cancelled each other out up to -infinity, they still sound different, and we need to work out how and why.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I don't think your opinion represents a consensus. I don't think we can yet jump to the conclusion that the bit-identical files sound different. If you perceive them as different I would double and triple check your methodology. Scramble them up and test again. Then repeat that again. See if there's any long-term consistency to your findings.

-R

[Lynn Fuston]

Originally posted by mpayne:
Well, without wanting to hijack this too far onto a sideline issue, if the files are not sample accurate in terms of their start times, surely in theory no amount of reversing phase and cancelling should be expected to work. I always assumed that if 2 files were even one sample out against each other, they would not cancel...

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Maybe I misunderstood. The reason that there is a sync pop at the beginning of each file is to making it easy to time align them.

[Haigbabe]

Greetings RKrizman..

I don't think your opinion represents a consensus. I don't think we can yet jump to the conclusion that the bit-identical files sound different. If you perceive them as different I would double and triple check your methodology.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You're right, I should have been a bit more careful with how I said that.

OTOH, are you saying that they definitely sound exactly the same?

Best regards,

Haigbabe

[kid pro]

I remember Roger Nichols wrote an article in EQ about listening to 2 identical files (bit for bit) on 2 different CDRs and he swore they sounded different. One was a CDR he burned himself from his own system, the other was a test CDR from the pressing plant. People at the label thought he was crazy, but he demanded that they press the CDs at a different place, and then he was happy with the results.

I hope I'm remembering the story correctly.

-kid pro

[RKrizman]

Originally posted by kid pro:
I remember Roger Nichols wrote an article in EQ about listening to 2 identical files (bit for bit) on 2 different CDRs and he swore they sounded different. One was a CDR he burned himself from his own system, the other was a test CDR from the pressing plant. People at the label thought he was crazy, but he demanded that they press the CDs at a different place, and then he was happy with the results.

I hope I'm remembering the story correctly.

-kid pro

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">This story has nothing to do with Lynn's test. No dither was used, no CD's were burned, no bits were reduced, and Roger Nichols probably hasn't heard it.

(Gee, I "swear" I left my keys right there on the table . . . )

Really, though, the point of Lynn's whole test is to move past this type of anectodal mythologizing.

-R

[froyo]

Hello. I just ordered the CD! Will be reporting back on results. As an aside, I have started a thread that deals directly with these types of discussions. If interested follow the link.

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