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Re: Waves Studiorack
I don;t get the importance of this. It may be PT specific but LowLatencyMonitoring on AVID i/o s gets essentially A/D and D/A time monitoring and zero additional samples (vs 40 for StudioRack).
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Re: Waves Studiorack
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In any case, the marketing as pointed out toward HDX users is futile, if they push it more as a complimentary system a la UAD then they might have some more interest for some, but right now with how they are trying to pass this as the good news for HDX users.. it's just not working. |
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Re: Waves Studiorack
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Re: Waves Studiorack
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What input buffer setting do you use on your HDX system? The studiorack completely bypasses the Pro Tools input buffer which means it is not 40 samples in addition to the Pro Tools buffer, it is only 40 samples. That's only .1 ms more than an HDX system and .16 ms less than a HD Accel system! That's mighty impressive if you ask me, especially for native users.
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Edit - I just reread that - while tracking !!! Nevermind - I initially understood this as mixing - we good ! Quote:
For the price I would rather have HD|N .
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As far as native user, with the new input buffer why would you want to add an other layer of latency? The problem I see for the native users right now, is that if they want to mix and match they will have that latency+plugin latency, so if they can use the plugins in the host instead that on the box and benefit from PT's 11 input buffer and still run the other plugins on the playback buffer without adding latency why should they pay for the box? Unless really that they are lacking power of course. That box never was meant to target pure native users, it's not necessary for them. It was meant to target the customers of waves that were using DSP system like HD or UAD, and it's failing at least in the former and probably will fail at the second, as I don't see how an UAD user would want to pay even more for an other box of DSP when they are already heavily invest in the UAD cards which have superb plugs that match and surpasses for some the waves one, leaving them the CPU host power to use the waves plugins for the one they need. |
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Re: Waves Studiorack
First off from a Latency POV - lets get the numbers straight. - tracking through plug ins at 96kHz (the only data point we usually get)... in all cases this is with zero additional latency plug ins. Note that for an AVID i/o the A/D + D/A conversion time at 96kHz is ~0.47ms (this is also the Low Latency monitor path latency - analog to analog)
HDX = 0.7ms through PT with plugs (HDX processing ~ 0.23ms) Waves DLS with SG driver (SGP mode?? what hte heck does SGP stand for??) = 0.8ms + A/D D/A = 1.27ms Waves DLS + HDX = 0.7ms + 0.8ms = 1.5ms (or is this 0.47ms + 0.8ms??) HDN = 1.7ms (64 buffer) Now to me there is no revolution going on - only AVB or Ethernet audio coming of age. There is also any number of solutions for tracking native with someones proprietary dsp at very low latency (96kHz numbers) Apollo - 1.1ms The new MOTU - 0.33ms - with Ethernet networking!!! Orion Zen Steinberg Aurora Metric Halo etc.... The Waves allure (and their system has many attractive features) is to use plugs we already know (and hopefully love) combined with good integration with ProTools. I love my Waves stuff but could totally live without if needed. Also I have a killer nMP that runs HDN at 96kHz 64 buffer really well. So I can use anyones plugs in record channels at 0.5ms higher latency than a DLS would do. For me - 1.7ms is good enough... but I have to be careful to keep buffers that low and all my projects are small (24 tracks or less usually)
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But, it is never going to happen. I'll never buy a box to run plugins I paid $12,000 for. They have instead lost my future business and yearly WUP forever. AAX DSP I would have paid for, but instead I will move on and never look back at Waves.
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does it bug you that avid has never released a decent core audio driver for its hardware? well you can route system audio to your avid IO's with the emotion mixer (using the sg core audio driver in system preferences). record system audio directly into a PT audio track if you want. thats just the tip of the iceberg. |
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Re: Waves Studiorack
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A simple "UAD for Waves plugins" would get a better reception. Priced under $2k and 50% off for registered Mercury users. |
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