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Old 11-18-2013, 03:35 PM
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Default Delay compensation of I/O plug on parallel Auxes broken?

Am I under the mistaken assumption that external hardware fed via an I/O plug-in on an Aux track is supposed to be automatically compensated for via PT's delay compensation?

I'm trying to run a parallel compression bus being fed by sends on drum tracks with the I/O plug on the Aux; in the mixer it shows 2130 samples of delay and 0 compensation (see pic). If I use a plug-in for the compression on the Aux it's compensated for just fine.

Actually, I just checked and even an I/O insert on a track isn't compensated for; I thought that was part of spending all the dosh on HD? I still have to measure/enter delays in samples, convert to MS and enter it in I/O setup? And have different numbers for each sample rate?!?
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Old 11-18-2013, 10:08 PM
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Default Re: Delay compensation of I/O plug on parallel Auxes broken?

I'll just keep talking to myself here...

Why not introduce an I/O plug-in similar to Logic and Cubendo that has a "ping" button on it; after you insert it on a channel, hit the button, it sends out a single-sample spike and measures the return time to generate the latency for the channel. Then the application compensates for it.

Now that there's a unified audio engine between HD and native, it seems this would be the time to add this functionality so we don't need to keep measuring/entering delay times manually.
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Old 11-19-2013, 05:00 AM
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Default Re: Delay compensation of I/O plug on parallel Auxes broken?

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I'll just keep talking to myself here...

Why not introduce an I/O plug-in similar to Logic and Cubendo that has a "ping" button on it; after you insert it on a channel, hit the button, it sends out a single-sample spike and measures the return time to generate the latency for the channel. Then the application compensates for it.

Now that there's a unified audio engine between HD and native, it seems this would be the time to add this functionality so we don't need to keep measuring/entering delay times manually.
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Old 11-19-2013, 07:46 AM
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Default Re: Delay compensation of I/O plug on parallel Auxes broken?

Your hardware inserts should definitely be compensated in HD. That session hasn't somehow got stuck using the wrong engine in the playback settings?

Sounds like something is wrong somewhere.

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Old 11-19-2013, 08:03 AM
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Works fine here. Something in your session isn't reporting its delay properly perhaps?

Try a simpler test with only stock plugs. I did that here and it's all good.
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Old 11-19-2013, 08:13 AM
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Works fine here. Something in your session isn't reporting its delay properly perhaps?

Try a simpler test with only stock plugs. I did that here and it's all good.
Hmmm...I'll give it a go today on session with just the parallel bus and no other plug-ins and see what happens.

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Old 11-19-2013, 01:13 PM
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Alrighty, on a new session with no plug-ins, I can run a parallel compression bus with an I/O insert on the Aux and it's compensated for. I can also add another I/O insert on, say, my snare track, send it to a Distressor and have the snare sending to the parallel bus post-Distressor and it's also compensating.

As Drew suggested, it looks like there may be a plug-in not reporting it's delay properly. Will have to dive into that and figure out which one...

I'd still like a ping-able I/O plug-in, though - I'd have more confidence with that (old habits!).

Thanks for the help, gents!
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I'd still like a ping-able I/O plug-in, though - I'd have more confidence with that (old habits!).
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I'd still like a ping-able I/O plug-in, though - I'd have more confidence with that (old habits!).

Thanks for the help, gents!
I second that request!
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Old 11-20-2013, 06:24 AM
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Default Re: Delay compensation of I/O plug on parallel Auxes broken?

Typically I like to send a track out to a hardware insert and then create a new track whose input is the same as the insert return (e.g. Hardware insert 5 on the main track and then a new track with its input set to 5) so I have a printed version of the effected track to mix back in with the dry main track. Doing this, the printed track is always coming back in early and has to be nudged back to sync.


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