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Old 10-21-2013, 05:27 PM
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Default Which Macpro 12 core: 2.4GHz or 2.6GHz?

I am sure everyone here knows of the new macpros coming out which requires a magma chassis for your cards and hard driver enclosures for your hd and a plethora of tb cables. My 8 core is not supported on the new PT11 using HDN so getting the 12 core and wanted to get some advice/opinions if it's worth getting the 2.6GHZ over the 2.4GHz?

This will be for 5.1 mixes and I am aware of all the benefits of using ram and all of the cores with PT11. Just want to get a discussion going on the pros/cons of the 2.4 vs. 2.6 (the 3.06Ghz is too $$ at 6.2K stock).
Any info would be helpful as I am sure others would like to chime in and get a better idea.

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Old 10-23-2013, 11:10 AM
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Default Re: Which Macpro 12 core: 2.4GHz or 2.6GHz?

Back in 2009, there was a similar debate over the choice of Nehalem Mac Pros. Should one buy a 2.66GHz quad core or a 2.26 GHz eight-core? If the software was optimized for eight cores, maybe slower was better. But if the the software utilized only one core of the CPU, then the 8-core would be only 85% as fast as the quad-core.

But 2.4GHz is 92% of 2.6GHz. And both machines have twelve cores, so what would be gained? Something that requires ten minutes to render on a 2.4GHz machine will require about nine minutes on a 2.6GHz machine. So the answer is, how much is one minute of your time worth?
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Old 10-23-2013, 12:28 PM
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Default Re: Which Macpro 12 core: 2.4GHz or 2.6GHz?

If you can, go for the fastest...and load at least 16GB on RAM, always in pairs and never mixed the size/speed.
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Old 10-24-2013, 10:22 AM
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Back in 2009, there was a similar debate over the choice of Nehalem Mac Pros. Should one buy a 2.66GHz quad core or a 2.26 GHz eight-core? If the software was optimized for eight cores, maybe slower was better. But if the the software utilized only one core of the CPU, then the 8-core would be only 85% as fast as the quad-core.

But 2.4GHz is 92% of 2.6GHz. And both machines have twelve cores, so what would be gained? Something that requires ten minutes to render on a 2.4GHz machine will require about nine minutes on a 2.6GHz machine. So the answer is, how much is one minute of your time worth?

Thanks. My intent is more so for maximum CPU heavy plugs, such as reverbs, noise reduction, large number of tracks and auxes while staying well below the systems threshold.
Don't get me wrong, I'm perfectly comfortable mixing on my 8core 3Ghz on PT10 HD. This is for future proofing my studio from the new black shinny Vase and thus jumping into PT11.

I am however planning on min of 32 gigs regardless.
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Old 10-24-2013, 10:37 AM
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Don't get me wrong, I'm perfectly comfortable mixing on my 8core 3Ghz on PT10 HD. This is for future proofing my studio from the new black shinny Vase and thus jumping into PT11. I am however planning on min of 32 gigs regardless.
Don't get me wrong, but I just got a flashback about how things were +10 years ago. I was perfectly okay with a single-core G4 at 667MHz (yes, MEGAhertz) and only 512MB (yes, MEGAbytes) of memory. It was back when PT 6.4 was well under 50MB download.

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Old 10-24-2013, 11:00 AM
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The real benchmark is the total number of floating point calculations per clock cycle as it computes to seconds which naturally never makes it into the ad copy. Only the very same generation CPU chips are ever an apples to apples comparison of cores and speed.

While PT 11 isn't "supported" on your machine, that by no means suggests it won't work better than PT10. I think we are about to see big changes in both CPUs and expansion chassis to the point that you may soon see better performance from a Mac mini over a current MacPro. My vote would be to wait and see.
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The real benchmark is the total number of floating point calculations per clock cycle as it computes to seconds which naturally never makes it into the ad copy. Only the very same generation CPU chips are ever an apples to apples comparison of cores and speed.

While PT 11 isn't "supported" on your machine, that by no means suggests it won't work better than PT10. I think we are about to see big changes in both CPUs and expansion chassis to the point that you may soon see better performance from a Mac mini over a current MacPro. My vote would be to wait and see.
The problem with waiting is regardless of what the outcome, one would still will need to get an DVD burner, Magma chassis for the video and PT cards, multiple hard drive enclosures, TB cables for all of them and hope the rumers aren't true that the black vase doesn't come with fixed ram, and the list goes on.The Macpros as of now work perfectly fine with out a plethora of chassis, enclosures, cables all over the place, extra fan noise, etc.

So that's the reason I am future proofing with a newer 12 core.
Just not sure if it's wortht he extra $$ for a 2.66 over the 2.4
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Hi,
How much does it cost a a new mac pro + expansion chassis + Cables + adapters?
This new technollogy made evrything quite expensive and complex.

I miss the time when we only had to pick a mac pro, stuff it with RAM, HDs and Avid cards.

I am upgrading to HD 10.3.7 just now on November, after years of 8.1.1 HD running solid here under OS 10.6.8.
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Old 11-03-2013, 10:20 AM
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Default Re: Which Macpro 12 core: 2.4GHz or 2.6GHz?

There's a CPU vs DAW cycle, whereby there are periods when systems seem to have effortless headroom, and then the plug in manufacturers respond with plug ins which eat ALL of that up and we're back to printing stuff. Eg...I remember when Altiverb came out and we could run one or two instances on our G5's, and then suddenly along came the mac pro, Altiverb got more efficient at the same time, and for a while it felt like you could do anything. But progress is progress and right now some of the very best sounding stuff is quite CPU intensive. For that reason I'd get the biggest baddest mac you can afford. Some of the newer stuff will get more efficient in time, and PT11 is helping to make older systems go longer, but there's no harm in reaching as far as you can at the moment.

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