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Old 05-13-2008, 09:36 PM
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OK I've got too much hi-hat in the overheads. Cant re-track. All other songs are fine but the bastard drummer (me) must have gone hard on one particular track. I've got the actual hi hat track muted but want less in the overheads. I know I can automate but I thought that if I swapped the phase on the hi hat track itself that, that may cancel the hi hat on the overhead. Theoretically this should have worked I think but it made no difference. Maybe I did it wrong. I just put on a eq plug in and hit the little circle with the line through it...that's right isn't it? Any ideas?
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:37 AM
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I think your theory is correct but you forgot one detail. The time difference between the hat mic and the overheads. If you zoom in on the wave, you will likely see that the hat mic is slightly earlier than the hat hits on the overheads. MAYBE by shifting the hat track earlier so the hits line up perfectly, you might get some cancellation. The other solution would be a narrow band EQ on the overhead tracks and dial it in on the hat sound and hopefully it won't ruin everything else. Another option IF you had something like ezdrummer would be to create a new set of cymbal and hat tracks in the box. Damn drummers....
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Old 05-14-2008, 08:10 AM
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me, i'm still waiting for that anti-hi hat mic

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I think automating the overheads down as needed would be your best sounding solution.
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Old 05-14-2008, 11:11 AM
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If its within 30 days you may be able to take the drummer back and exchange it

A lot of times they don't want to to take them back though.
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Old 05-14-2008, 01:41 PM
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Default Re: Hi Hat too loud!

I'm actually having the same problem only though the snare mic- I'm getting around it with a gate that is oh so finely tweaked- but I'd say that your best bet is actually all of the above- if you can automate and try to snipe that frequency- hopefully you won't have to go too far overboard on either to the point that it sound weird. The other option being find a producer who likes hi hat
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Old 05-14-2008, 02:07 PM
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Cheers for that guys. I'm actually the drummer! ha ha. I did change to a quieter set of hi hats for the whole session and on the other 5 songs that I did that day it's not a problem. Just this one. It's not disastrous (that doesn't look like it's spelt right) I agree that it could be the delay between the hh mic and the oh mic. I will try that. Automation is hard to get sounding natural, so is de essing and eq. Phase cancelling should be the best option. With regards to too much hh in snare besides replacing the snare which I normally do I also sometimes have used a collar that I made. Its basically a piece of accoustic foam that is about 12" by 12" square with a hole in the middle that fits the snare mic snugly. Point the lumpy side towards the hi hat. Cut it down if its too big and/or causing funny reflections on the hi hat mic. This technique I've found to be very effective.
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...Automation is hard to get sounding natural...
Why is that? Alternately, You could duplicate the OH tracks, then delete the hat sections for one set of OH tracks, and delete the non-hats sections for the other set. Adjust faders, done. I think the phasing and EQ and de-ess ideas mentioned above will create a lot of sound quality issues. My 2 cents.
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Old 05-15-2008, 10:51 AM
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The narrowband EQ would be my first attempt but you're going to lose everything in that range. If you close mic'd everything, you could also try to fake the room by auxing all the drums to a stereo bus with Dverb and mixing it up until you get a fake room sound. Not ideal, but overheads are difficult to fix in general.
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A lot of times they don't want to to take them back though.
I'm STILL laughing over this one......
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