any workflow "workarounds" for lack of automation trim in vanilla?

[TNM]

I got to say, i think this is silliest omission ever, even cheap daws have trim. In Logic, I was used to just grabbing a little fader on the track header and dragging it up or down (well a numerical number actually) and it would move all automation on the track up or down.

Now.. if i select all the automation on the track, and manually try drag it, it doesn't work.. which i was hoping the workaround would be. Anyone know?

For volume I could use a vca and lower it, as that does everything relatively automatically. But that will only work for volume. Thankfully volume is usually what one wants to trim, but still.. any suggestions are appreciated.

or avid, just add trim in 12.9 please! I can't believe i considered upgrading to HD for 1900 i don't have lol, just for trim. There's nothing else in HD i need. Not one thing.

[john1192]

Originally Posted by TNM

I got to say, i think this is silliest omission ever, even cheap daws have trim. In Logic, I was used to just grabbing a little fader on the track header and dragging it up or down (well a numerical number actually) and it would move all automation on the track up or down.

Now.. if i select all the automation on the track, and manually try drag it, it doesn't work.. which i was hoping the workaround would be. Anyone know?

For volume I could use a vca and lower it, as that does everything relatively automatically. But that will only work for volume. Thankfully volume is usually what one wants to trim, but still.. any suggestions are appreciated.

or avid, just add trim in 12.9 please! I can't believe i considered upgrading to HD for 1900 i don't have lol, just for trim. There's nothing else in HD i need. Not one thing.

agreed and have been asking forever .. as it would making sharing sessions with HD users a lot easier and more transparent !!! silly omission is a great way to put it ..

[guitardom]

Originally Posted by TNM

I got to say, i think this is silliest omission ever, even cheap daws have trim. In Logic, I was used to just grabbing a little fader on the track header and dragging it up or down (well a numerical number actually) and it would move all automation on the track up or down.

Now.. if i select all the automation on the track, and manually try drag it, it doesn't work.. which i was hoping the workaround would be. Anyone know?

For volume I could use a vca and lower it, as that does everything relatively automatically. But that will only work for volume. Thankfully volume is usually what one wants to trim, but still.. any suggestions are appreciated.

or avid, just add trim in 12.9 please! I can't believe i considered upgrading to HD for 1900 i don't have lol, just for trim. There's nothing else in HD i need. Not one thing.

It works just fine to select the region and drag it down. You just have to be sure you have break points set correctly at the end and that you are outside of those breakpoints.

The other easy way to do it is with a plugin. The final plugin in your chain with an output volume would do the job, or a dedicated plugin. Slate has a free trim plugin for instance.

[john1192]

Originally Posted by guitardom

It works just fine to select the region and drag it down. You just have to be sure you have break points set correctly at the end and that you are outside of those breakpoints.

The other easy way to do it is with a plugin. The final plugin in your chain with an output volume would do the job, or a dedicated plugin. Slate has a free trim plugin for instance.

these are good ideas .. the Trim PLugin in PT could be used for this .. and i think the OP is referring to TRIM Auto which is just like that - having an overall volume for all AUTO on that Lane ..

and it is one of the big things i miss about HD ..

[TNM]

Originally Posted by guitardom

It works just fine to select the region and drag it down. You just have to be sure you have break points set correctly at the end and that you are outside of those breakpoints.

The other easy way to do it is with a plugin. The final plugin in your chain with an output volume would do the job, or a dedicated plugin. Slate has a free trim plugin for instance.

oh, i'm a dumbo.. thanks for the idea.. the free blue cat gain suite is amazing and has a stereo one too for balancing something way out of whack, with multiple groups/vca capabilities of it's own. Ta for the idea! I will also try once again to drag it all up or down, i must have been doing it wrong. Cheers.

[TNM]

Originally Posted by john1192

these are good ideas .. the Trim PLugin in PT could be used for this .. and i think the OP is referring to TRIM Auto which is just like that - having an overall volume for all AUTO on that Lane ..

and it is one of the big things i miss about HD ..

the trim in HD wouldn't do ALL the auto would it? Only what the user wants? For example if i'm trimming volume, i wouldn't want to trim filter frequency sweeps.

[john1192]

Originally Posted by TNM

the trim in HD wouldn't do ALL the auto would it? Only what the user wants? For example if i'm trimming volume, i wouldn't want to trim filter frequency sweeps.

if i remember correctly, there is a trim for each Automation Kind ..

[EGS]

Originally Posted by guitardom

It works just fine to select the region and drag it down. You just have to be sure you have break points set correctly at the end and that you are outside of those breakpoints. ... final plugin in your chain with an output volume would do the job ...

+1. For gain of a track in a mix (preserving automation moves already written) I adjust final plug output level. I find the automation breakpoints thing to be a bit crazy ... but workable. I try my best to first create a static mix, then tweak with automation as needed. My 2 cents !!!

[lesbrunn]

Originally Posted by TNM

I got to say, i think this is silliest omission ever, even cheap daws have trim. In Logic, I was used to just grabbing a little fader on the track header and dragging it up or down (well a numerical number actually) and it would move all automation on the track up or down.

Now.. if i select all the automation on the track, and manually try drag it, it doesn't work.. which i was hoping the workaround would be. Anyone know?

For volume I could use a vca and lower it, as that does everything relatively automatically. But that will only work for volume. Thankfully volume is usually what one wants to trim, but still.. any suggestions are appreciated.

or avid, just add trim in 12.9 please! I can't believe i considered upgrading to HD for 1900 i don't have lol, just for trim. There's nothing else in HD i need. Not one thing.

+1 about the stupid omission. As per your comment, VCA solves it. That said, I've hardly used volume automation since the introduction of clip gain. Easier, more elegant, provided you're not doing ridiculously extreme rides.

[TNM]

Actually, the clip gain in pro tools is thought out so well, it's one of the main reasons i switched to it to begin with, seriously. It's awesome.