Avid Pro Audio Community

Avid Pro Audio Community

How to Join & Post  •  Community Terms of Use  •  Help Us Help You

Knowledge Base Search  •  Community Search  •  Additional Resources


Avid Home Page

Go Back   Avid Pro Audio Community > Legacy Products > Pro Tools TDM Systems (Mac)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-17-2017, 10:03 AM
williamconifer williamconifer is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: South Dakota
Posts: 5
Default Question about PT 10 HD, Digi PCIe cards and Track Count

Greetings,

I'm still new with PT. I am the engineer for a small project studio. The owner relies on me for tech issues. The studio has a PT HD 10 system running on a Mac Pro (beefy) and 3 PCIe cards (Accel Core and 2 HD Accel cards). I did not build or purchase the rig. We have 2 Blue Digi HD 192 IO units. We record exclusively at 24/192. The PT rig is used for normal music tracking and mixing. No virtual instruments. Not a lot of plugin usage at the moment.

The digi cable connects the Accel Core card to a HD IO then there is an expansion cable connected from IO unit 1 to IO unit 2.

The track count for recording projects we are working is growing and yesterday I ran into a situation where PT warned me that we were at our max track count of 32.

The owner was sure that his PT rig would handle 64 tracks.

I need to know what the card set up we have can handle with PT 10 at 24/192. I need to know if there is a hardware failure, just some bad settings or just an underspec'd system.

Thanks!

Last edited by williamconifer; 07-17-2017 at 10:38 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-17-2017, 01:31 PM
Barry Johns Barry Johns is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 3,524
Default Re: Question about PT 10 HD, Digi PCIe cards and Track Count

Why are you recording at 192? Its a waist of resources and brings marginal value to the end product.

If you are doing audio, you should be recording at 44.1 if doing post/video then 48. Do not waste time in either 96 or 192 in my opinion.

Like Momma always said "Just because you can, does not mean you SHOULD". Translated, just because you can record at 192 does not mean you should be recording at 192.

See the chart below:



Audio Recording and Playback Capabilities

Pro Tools|HD 1 (for PCIe and PCI)
Pro Tools|HD 1 systems provide recording and playback of 24-bit or 16-bit audio files with the following track counts:

• Up to 96 tracks at 44.1 kHz or 48 kHz
• Up to 48 tracks at 88.2 kHz or 96 kHz
• Up to 12 tracks at 176.4 kHz or 192 kHz

Pro Tools|HD 2 Accel and HD 3 Accel (for PCIe and PCI)

Pro Tools|HD 2 Accel and HD 3 Accel systems provide recording and playback of 24-bit or 16-bit audio files with the following track counts:

• Up to 192 tracks at 44.1 kHz or 48 kHz
• Up to 96 tracks at 88.2 kHz or 96 kHz
• Up to 36 tracks at 176.4 kHz or 192 kHz
__________________
HD Native Pcie, PTHD 11, PT12 Vanilla, Omni, Lynx Aurora 16, 192 I/O (16 in/8 out), 24 Fader D-Command, lots of preamps and compressors.

MacPro 5.1 (12) Core (2009 MacPro 8 Core Upgraded to a 12 Core MacPro), 56 Gig Ram, SSD System & 3 - 2TB Drives, OSX 10.9.5, Windows 10 Via Bootcamp
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-17-2017, 04:38 PM
albee1952 albee1952 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: nashville
Posts: 32,384
Default Re: Question about PT 10 HD, Digi PCIe cards and Track Count

While I wouldn't recommend 44.1, I certainly agree that 192 is overkill(especially if you are recording pop/rock/country/hiphop). I work at 48K and have never lost a customer over sound quality
__________________
Asus x99, Intel i7 6800K, 32 gig DDR4, GeForce 750 Ti, HD/Native, HD IOx2, PT11HD, UAD Quad, preamps from Vintech, Five Fish Audio, Miktek, Focusrite, Chameleon Labs and Midas..............................
https://www.facebook.com/search/top/...0sound%20works
www.capricornsoundworks.com

The better I drink...the more I mix.....

BTW, my name is Dave, but most people call me.........................Dave
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-17-2017, 06:30 PM
williamconifer williamconifer is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: South Dakota
Posts: 5
Default Re: Question about PT 10 HD, Digi PCIe cards and Track Count

Thanks for the info. High resolution 192 is a requirement at this studio being there is an association with the Pono ecosystem. Frankly I was was very skeptical of working in 192 but after a year working part-time in a 192 centric studio, I am a believer. Although my personal recordings are at 96.

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-18-2017, 04:46 PM
JFreak's Avatar
JFreak JFreak is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Finland
Posts: 14,827
Default Re: Question about PT 10 HD, Digi PCIe cards and Track Count

Go to 96k or buy more interfaces
__________________
Janne
What we do in life, echoes in eternity.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-22-2017, 10:06 AM
WernerF WernerF is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: New York City
Posts: 2,930
Default Re: Question about PT 10 HD, Digi PCIe cards and Track Count

The 192 versus 44.1 debate is quite old. Personally I agree with the software/hardware engineers that say that the converter is the most important aspect involved in sound quality. I record and mix full on records at 44.1 all year long. The loss of plugin count and track count at any higher resolution is absolutely unacceptable, even if the alleged higher sound quality were true. IMHO, higher resolution abilities are mostly a marketing scheme.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-22-2017, 11:00 AM
albee1952 albee1952 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: nashville
Posts: 32,384
Default Re: Question about PT 10 HD, Digi PCIe cards and Track Count

Quote:
Originally Posted by WernerF View Post
The 192 versus 44.1 debate is quite old. Personally I agree with the software/hardware engineers that say that the converter is the most important aspect involved in sound quality. I record and mix full on records at 44.1 all year long. The loss of plugin count and track count at any higher resolution is absolutely unacceptable, even if the alleged higher sound quality were true. IMHO, higher resolution abilities are mostly a marketing scheme.
Where I hit this was when a client brought me 96K session that were tracked at another studio. Running them on my rig at the time was just dragging it to its knees, so I ended up converting down to 48K so I could work without constant errors or system "burps"(playback would stop). As it turned out, the original recordings were done so poorly that it made absolutely no difference and I was able to deliver mixes that made the client happy(the most important detail). At the end of the day, I'd rather hear a decent recording of a great performance of a great song, than a perfect recording of a crappy performance and/or song

My 2 cents only; I work at 24 bit/48K for almost everything. My reasons are simply that 48K pushes the Nyquist filter a tad higher so the corresponding phase shift happens above the range of hearing(for anyone older than 20) and most audio for video needs to be 48K
__________________
Asus x99, Intel i7 6800K, 32 gig DDR4, GeForce 750 Ti, HD/Native, HD IOx2, PT11HD, UAD Quad, preamps from Vintech, Five Fish Audio, Miktek, Focusrite, Chameleon Labs and Midas..............................
https://www.facebook.com/search/top/...0sound%20works
www.capricornsoundworks.com

The better I drink...the more I mix.....

BTW, my name is Dave, but most people call me.........................Dave
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-22-2017, 08:51 PM
WernerF WernerF is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: New York City
Posts: 2,930
Default Re: Question about PT 10 HD, Digi PCIe cards and Track Count

Yah, 48k for video and 44.1k for audio, as that is what CD's are (even though hardly anyone uses cd's anymore). The difference between the two is not noticeable, IMHO, in any way.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Track count with PCIe HD Expansion Chassis? AAR Pro Tools TDM Systems (Mac) 6 02-03-2006 02:32 PM
Digi please clarify position re new PCIe HD cards PeterB Pro Tools TDM Systems (Mac) 5 10-21-2005 11:53 AM
Track Count for G4 with Digi 002 alejo 003, Mbox 2, Digi 002, original Mbox, Digi 001 (Mac) 1 06-14-2005 09:57 AM
Digi 002/G4 733 Track Count? DaleB 003, Mbox 2, Digi 002, original Mbox, Digi 001 (Mac) 1 02-05-2004 01:01 PM
Track count DIGI 002 tha k man 003, Mbox 2, Digi 002, original Mbox, Digi 001 (Mac) 14 01-12-2003 06:49 PM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:43 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited. Forum Hosted By: URLJet.com