Avid Pro Audio Community

Avid Pro Audio Community

How to Join & Post  •  Community Terms of Use  •  Help Us Help You

Knowledge Base Search  •  Community Search  •  Learn & Support


Avid Home Page

Go Back   Avid Pro Audio Community > Pro Tools Hardware > Pro Tools HDX & HD Native Systems (Mac)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #11  
Old 11-12-2010, 09:18 AM
filosofem filosofem is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Christchurch NZ
Posts: 11,864
Default Re: HD Native Personal Mini Review

Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightrambler View Post
Yes I suppose that's what I was getting at, that and the sense that you're definitely using HD, not LE.
HD Native is not limited like Pro Tools 9 open. (PTO).
__________________
Aaron Mulqueen - 001 HD Native
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 11-12-2010, 09:46 AM
CCash CCash is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,418
Default Re: HD Native Personal Mini Review

Tom,

Aside from the gain-staging issues you talk about, could you explain how even just an HD1 could be less powerful than PT Native? With an HD system, can't you use all the native capability of the computer for RTAS, plus the DSP on the HD card? Then you have the advantage of not having to mess with buffer settings when tracking, and you can use TDM plugs IF you need to. I'm missing something for sure.

Thanks!
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 11-12-2010, 10:00 AM
crizdee's Avatar
crizdee crizdee is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Brighton, UK
Posts: 10,480
Default Re: HD Native Personal Mini Review

Quote:
Originally Posted by CCash View Post
Tom,

Aside from the gain-staging issues you talk about, could you explain how even just an HD1 could be less powerful than PT Native? With an HD system, can't you use all the native capability of the computer for RTAS, plus the DSP on the HD card? Then you have the advantage of not having to mess with buffer settings when tracking, and you can use TDM plugs IF you need to. I'm missing something for sure.

Thanks!
Hi,

Running pt9 with a HD1 will only give you 96 tracks. the HD1 core card on its own is quite restricted in tracks and voice counts, especially at 96k.

Running PT 9 HD native will give you 192 tracks and max voices.


chris
__________________
PT MAC Troubleshooting... http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=54888

Producer, Engineer,
UKmastering Mixing & Mastering
Blinders_Columbia top 40 UK album charts
Slow Readers Club_Build A Tower top 20 UK album charts

www.ukmastering.com


PT10.3.10 Mountain Lion HD6 accel Magma PE6R4 Control 24 MacPro 12 Core 3.46ghz UAD-2 Octo x2. Manley Vari-Mu, Manley Massive Passive, SSL VHD, ADL600, Grove Tubes ViPre, Tube-Tech CL-1B. Hafler TRM active monitoring.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 11-12-2010, 01:25 PM
Mark Ziebarth Mark Ziebarth is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 1998
Location: Hamburg, Germany
Posts: 665
Default Re: HD Native Personal Mini Review

Quote:
Originally Posted by crizdee View Post
Hi,

Running pt9 with a HD1 will only give you 96 tracks. the HD1 core card on its own is quite restricted in tracks and voice counts, especially at 96k.

Running PT 9 HD native will give you 192 tracks and max voices.


chris
You're right, Chris. After all the changes that happened the last few weeks I guess the voice limit of a HD1 is artificial. Or is there a hardware limit I don't know about?

Mark
__________________
Mac Pro 2010 3.66 GHz six Cores, HD Native, 192 I/O, Avid Dock, Artist Mix and Pro Tools Ultimate
Mac Pro 2008, RME Fireface, Pro Tools 12, Euphonix MC Control
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 11-12-2010, 02:05 PM
filosofem filosofem is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Christchurch NZ
Posts: 11,864
Default Re: HD Native Personal Mini Review

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Ziebarth View Post
After all the changes that happened the last few weeks I guess the voice limit of a HD1 is artificial. Or is there a hardware limit I don't know about?
It's a limitation that a company has to grow.
__________________
Aaron Mulqueen - 001 HD Native
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 11-12-2010, 03:17 PM
Tom Hartman Tom Hartman is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Boca Raton FL USA
Posts: 418
Default Re: HD Native Personal Mini Review

Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightrambler View Post
Yes, interesting review, thanks.

Is Omni HD true HD though.....? I still can't help but think it's a souped up 001.
Best think again. True as it gets. Been the 002, 003 route, different universe. Huge gorgeous sound.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 11-12-2010, 03:23 PM
Tom Hartman Tom Hartman is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Boca Raton FL USA
Posts: 418
Default Re: HD Native Personal Mini Review

Quote:
Originally Posted by CCash View Post
Tom,

Aside from the gain-staging issues you talk about, could you explain how even just an HD1 could be less powerful than PT Native? With an HD system, can't you use all the native capability of the computer for RTAS, plus the DSP on the HD card? Then you have the advantage of not having to mess with buffer settings when tracking, and you can use TDM plugs IF you need to. I'm missing something for sure.

Thanks!
Sounds great but in practice it's easily as much of a pain as taking under 6 seconds to change a buffer. Dealing with RTAS stealing voices, and watching something like ELEVEN TDM eat up a whole chip is not fun. Not to mention TDM plugs eating up your wallet. TDM is the gift that keeps on taking lol...

TDM is great when you have a load of cash and have 3 cards, if you don't have that, not so much fun when doing music with a lot going on.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 11-12-2010, 03:59 PM
blastula blastula is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 213
Default Re: HD Native Personal Mini Review

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Hartman View Post
Well in HD TDM yes it's a whole different animal with levels. Try playing back a native session on HD TDM and most of the time your levels will be through the roof because you just don't have to worry with them as much out of TDM land.
TH
I'd like to understand this, but i don't.
Why do you have to worry about levels more in TDM land?
Is this common knowledge?

Thanks...
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 11-12-2010, 04:45 PM
Tom Hartman Tom Hartman is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Boca Raton FL USA
Posts: 418
Default Re: HD Native Personal Mini Review

Quote:
Originally Posted by blastula View Post
I'd like to understand this, but i don't.
Why do you have to worry about levels more in TDM land?
Is this common knowledge?

Thanks...
Yes common knowledge.

Here's one article that discusses it. In practice, TDM is much more sensitive re headroom. People that use TDM have gotten used to very good gain staging practices, which is a good thing actually.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun1...es/pt_0610.htm
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 11-12-2010, 06:29 PM
gearjunkie gearjunkie is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 40
Default Re: HD Native Personal Mini Review

Thanks for the review Tom! I have been waiting to see how this system performs.

I am currently using Pro Tools 9/Apogee Symphony/Rosetta 800 with a 12 core Mac and am getting similar performance from the tests I have run so far. Only issue is if I ever need direct monitoring I don't have the option to date in PT9.

I need to run Logic 9 as well. Have you tried the new card with other software using the new Core Audio Driver for PT Native?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
HD Native / Omni...... a positive review Arkman66 Pro Tools HDX & HD Native Systems (Mac) 4 06-19-2012 01:33 PM
HD Omni Mini-Review TimNielsen Pro Tools TDM Systems (Mac) 86 03-03-2012 06:51 AM
SLATE DIGITAL plugins mini-review BradLyons General Discussion 11 04-02-2010 07:05 PM
Amplitube 2 mini-review/impressions davetron5000 003, Mbox 2, Digi 002, original Mbox, Digi 001 (Mac) 4 05-23-2006 09:05 AM
OT: RNP mini review Chris Coleman 003, Mbox 2, Digi 002, original Mbox, Digi 001 (Mac) 3 02-11-2003 10:51 PM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:33 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited. Forum Hosted By: URLJet.com