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Old 08-11-2004, 09:32 AM
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Default Piano miking

I have to mic a piano for a jazz player and could use some advice....

I have some ok mics to choose from I wonder what the best choice would be? AKG414, rode nt1-a, apex 460 tube, at3031 pair, mxl2001, mxl603..

I'm not really sure where to place htem to get the best sound either - its a yamaha baby grand piano...

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Old 08-11-2004, 09:41 AM
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Default Re: Piano miking

grand or upright? style of music?

http://www.dpamicrophones.com/

go to the link titled microphone university/grand piano. a spaced omni pair in the nearfield will sound awesome if you've got a good instrument in a good space.
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Old 08-11-2004, 09:50 AM
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Default Re: Piano miking

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I'm not really sure where to place htem to get the best sound either - its a yamaha baby grand piano...

Thanks!
i'm not sure i could comment on mic choices, but i've experimented a lot with placement when recording my own yamaha c7 -- do you know what model yamaha you're recording? the c7 is a 7' 6" grand, the c1 is a 6' 1" grand...

also -- is this a solo jazz performance or is this part of a trio or something where the piano has to fit in a broader mix? if solo -- you might do well with a combination of close mics and distance/room mics (you can later decide on using either or both in the final mix).

i would definitely encourage a lot of experimentation. for close micing, what's been working well for me (with a pair of shure sm81s/small condensors) is to place the left mic at the center of the crossover of bass strings -- i've been going about 2-3" above the strings with the head of the mic following the line of the lowest strings (that is, if you're staring at it from the keyboard, the head of the mic is pointing toward about 8:30/9:00). for the right mic, i've been placing that just about at the dampers (again, about 2-3" up off the strings" near the c above middle c, and that one is pointing at about 3:30/4:00 when looking at it from the keyboard.

i've also used a pair of studio projects c1s in about the same position, only about 8-10" above the strings, not quite as close.

for distance -- i've seen (when recording at another person's studio, not my house) a pair of schoeps (can't remember the model, sorry) out on the floor pointed to catch the reflection off the open lid -- probably about 5-7' to the right of the piano (as you're sitting at the keyboard) and aimed probably about 90 degrees apart from eachother.

tough to do this in text -- i can sort of see it in my mind.

i've never tried this before, but i've imagined it would be interesting to try a pair of mics somewhat near the player's ears.

experiment a lot -- spend time finding "the sweet spot" -- you'll be glad you did. at my friend's studio, we spent about a half-day getting the mic placement on the piano just right -- made the rest of the recording/mixing/mastering process a dream.

good luck!
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Old 08-11-2004, 09:58 AM
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thanks for the advice thats great...the model is the C1

I think I get what you mean with the placement...I will definitely start there and see what I get I do have 1 schops MK 41 mic around too...but only one. I guess maybe could still be used...

The recording is actually a part of a jazz quartet - bass, drums, piano and singer. The piano has its own room so I'm not worried about keeping other instruments away from it...but I guess my concern is to make it sit right in the mix...
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