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Master Bus...
Yo folks,
This is a mixing question that i though i would run by u guys... I mix allot of the heavier styles of music (mostly metal) and I have a habbit of keeping pretty much all track close to 0db on the faders... so when i have a good mix going the master bus (if at 0db) would be peaking (i don't normally limit or compress the master)... so i tend to just turn the master bus down 4-5 or even 6db to compensate. It makes for a pretty dynamic mix which i like but does it make a difference if i just turn down all the other tracks and leave the master as close to 0db as possible |
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Re: Master Bus...
AFAIK, pulling the master down is fine, but I(personal choice) will pull all the audio tracks down, IF I still have clipping with the master down 5db or more. O make a quick group of all AUDIO tracks and grab a volume line after the end of the song and drag it down 3-4db(the ALL group makes all volumes drop the same amount, which preserves the mix).
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Re: Master Bus...
But if you 'grab a volume line after the end of the song and drag it down 3-4db', won't all of the tracks with volume automation still bounce back to their original volume points, leaving the tracks without automation 3-4 db lower, while your automated tracks remain louder?
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Re: Master Bus...
I guess you will just have to do the ones with audio automation by hand? But i have another though accrues... when it comes time for mastering isn't it wise to have your mix as close to 0db as possible so that any extra input gain wont make your mix distorted? (i am talking about very very very slight distortion but still)
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Re: Master Bus...
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Re: Master Bus...
Albee's pretty spot on (as usual), the thing I would be most concerned about would be clipping the input path of the master. The functionality of the master fader is to adjust the input volume of the master signal chain BEFORE plug ins and before the final output, unlike a standard fader which controls the volume of a track after the inserts. So You are in fact using the master fader exactly as it was designed to be used. The only rub tends to be when you get into mastering, and as albee said, real mastering engineers don't want to have to gain down your signal to start processing.
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Re: Master Bus...
Thanks for the help! Its good to hear that i´m doing something right I have been use to making my mixes kinda hot before mastering but as i said i like the final product to be pretty dynamic. I don´t know if you guys agree with me on this but i feel as though dynamics are slowly becoming a thing of the past in allot of the more popular music these days...
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Re: Master Bus...
My question for you, and this is without hearing your mixes, are your mixes actually dynamic? Just to mess with you a bit, by feeding your masterbus to the point of clipping on all faders is actually the opposit of dynamic. Dynamic mixes are ones that use all of the scales of volume, from "pianississimo" (ppp) to "fortissississimo." (FFF). The only music today that actually uses the entire scale of your total available volume is Jazz or Classical. This is not to say that your mixes are not dynamic, I just want to point out that 95% of todays "popular" music in most contemporary genres from Rock to Rap, tend to use only the top 10 db's in just about every mix. I haven't heard a rock track break down below -30db this century. Most of it these days has to do with the mastering process, however the mixer has allot of input. Pink Floyd has some pretty grand "piano" (p) sections in their songs, like in "Crazy Diamond" - and just for clarification I am not talking about the instrument piano.
Just some thoughts. |
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Re: Master Bus...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj611qyJ17k its at about 2:52 |
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