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Old 04-28-2015, 06:46 AM
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Default Waves DLS

I've been asking for months for more info on real world application of these units.

Here is a pretty decent write up.... I already know I want one....

Crazy awesome addition to my HD Native rig.

http://www.waves.com/behind-the-digi...-for-pro-tools
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Old 04-28-2015, 01:14 PM
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Waves has burned people to many times, smart people aren't touching it
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Old 04-28-2015, 01:20 PM
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Waves has burned people to many times, smart people aren't touching it
Craig, you've been around here a long time, and I've seen you here for years.

I confidently believe you are smarter than that, and know better.

I can understand an off the cuff comment... but if you really dig down to reality and specifics, rather than a generic un-warrented, unbacked statement, that you know that is not true.

Waves is the most solid pro audio company I have dealt with period.
Tech support, updates, free add ons, etc.... all the best of anything I've dealt with.

Tech support: quick, on point, help wether WUP or not.
Updates: Complain about WUP if you want, but you DONT HAVE TO have it. Also, way cheaper for me for all my waves (capped at $300) than the cost of updating all my other third party devs combined....
WUP: and usually get freebies added along with.

Bad day? lol
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Old 04-28-2015, 01:23 PM
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You saying smart people running huge SoundGrid are not smart? I beg to differ. Stupid people can't afford those enormous rigs to run for high end clients... and wouldn't get gigs with them in the first place.

The world is bigger than any one system.... Waves hardware is scale-able....

I have an IOS and a DLS coming :) WELL WORTH IT

My HDN combined with DLS is gonna SPANK a single HDX system....

I'll post up with head to head shootouts verses HDX1... and attempt to shootout against HDX2 and HDX3
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Old 04-28-2015, 01:33 PM
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Waves dropped the APA box about 6 years ago.

They also dropped HDX making those with TDM bundles having lost a major investment.

They have excellent phone support and make great plugins but their history with DSP boxes and plugins is very spotty.

Craig's comments hold water and with Waves in a Joint Venture, the future is anything but certain.
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Old 04-28-2015, 01:37 PM
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Shorty, consider that the price you're paying as a Waves affiliate or tester is likely less than the monetary investment made by most other people. As well as receiving what I assume is elevated support.
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Not to mention that they kept the clients in the dark for almost 2 years to the fact that they had dropped support for the APA box, and yet stores kept selling the stock they had.
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Old 04-28-2015, 02:01 PM
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You saying smart people running huge SoundGrid are not smart? I beg to differ. Stupid people can't afford those enormous rigs to run for high end clients... and wouldn't get gigs with them in the first place.

The world is bigger than any one system.... Waves hardware is scale-able....

I have an IOS and a DLS coming :) WELL WORTH IT

My HDN combined with DLS is gonna SPANK a single HDX system....

I'll post up with head to head shootouts verses HDX1... and attempt to shootout against HDX2 and HDX3
Also keep in mind that Waves admited they had not even tried to program the plugins they ported over so that it fited the AAX DSP nonmenclature that was required, keeping the GUI and CORE off the HDX card and only keeping the process on the HDX card (unlike the TDM card where the whole plugin was hosted by the chip). HDX has shown that proper coding resulted in major power jump for most plugins. Example there was a 15x jump for eq3 per chip where you were in the theorical 500+ plugins per card just for that plugin. I had the chart, but can't find it at the moment. Just to be clear, the digigrid could serve a purpose for some, but the track record of Waves toward their dsp box is.. well toxic.
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Old 04-28-2015, 02:02 PM
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Shorty, consider that the price you're paying as a Waves affiliate or tester is likely less than the monetary investment made by most other people. As well as receiving what I assume is elevated support.
I have beta tested plugins and have had access to plugins via that avenue, however, that is where that stops - I do that as I care to give feedback and be involved. That is where that ends.

I own, and have purchased MULTIPLE complete licenses - so beta has nothing to do with that, and in no way benefits me in regards to ANYTHING.

I bought multiple TDM licenses at higher prices than Native. They served us well for years. We bought what we needed when we needed it. We made a lot of money from it. No complaints.

Their move away from TDM is not one that upset us at all.
In fact, I am glad they moved away from it.

Compare the cost of HDX cards, to the cost of SoundGrid DSP servers.

Waves wins hands down.

Even if I did need a HDX engine, I would still run DSP outside it.
A single DSP server at a cost of $3200 is more powerful than a single HDX for DSP.

If I were to own an HDX and that HDX maxed out, I would look to Waves DSP servers over a second HDX.

For us, we don't need more than 64 I/O and therefore HD Native and Waves DSP makes far more sense and is far more cost effective.

We all have opinions. We all have solutions that will work better for us, that will
not work for others.
For what our needs are, and for the options available, this is the ticket and I couldn't be happier.
We made this move for 3 rooms.... it serves our needs better than Avid alone, and we save money with it as well....

My point is that I do not feel wronged in any way. In fact, the moves they have made have helped put us in better positions.

I think TIMING for some may have been bad for many. I can see that. But I do not believe they WRONGED anyone or BURNED anyone.

They also made it public immediately when their decisions were made.
I see a lot of people who made purchase decisions without doing any research first. That is not Waves' fault....

As a whole, I believe they moved in the right direction
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Logic Pro X, DSP Quattro, Final Cut Pro X
Waves Mercury+SSL+AbbeyRoads
Trident S65 with embedded US-2400

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Old 04-28-2015, 02:15 PM
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Just a question for you,

As waves admited they had not done the proper ''calibration'' of the plugins to fit what the HDX cards needed, and then made a chart with the skewed results of their test as a sales pitch, can you really trust their bench mark to really show the reality of what would have been the better solution had they done the proper coding?
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