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Old 06-13-2017, 03:45 PM
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I've never worked in a chain so never used stems. I just use sub mixes, basically stems but not printed. Don't see the point in stems if your working alone. I don't see the point in them if your in a chain if the next guy is using Pro Tools. Just commit any plugins and send them the session


Because if you're working in post it would be a mess of sessions with hundreds of tracks. Also, the term stem existed long before pro tools and even longer before commit was a twinkle in pro tools eye.

Thats why you would use stems generally printed from a sub group. In music it's less common. What you're describing is the equivalent to the point of this topic,multitrack are what you would share in you're case


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Old 06-13-2017, 06:05 PM
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I thought Drew would appreciate the irony is in this;
Mixed music for Avid to be used for Mr. Hernandez’s presentation at NAB later this week,
so when they drop boxed me the files to mix
they were labeled as…you guessed it… Stems!


I'm used to the indie kids from Silverlake labeling trax as such,
(along with the ubiquitous bip’s nowadays).
I thought about linking to this thread when I uploaded my Masters back up to dropbox
but felt that would be a little too snarky…
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JUST had this, last week. Woman(bandleader) wants me to do a mix for her, after having an engineer, who claimed to be trained by Bruce Swedien, do a mix for her. I've known BS for decades(and I know 'bs' when I hear it), he did NOT train this dude. The 'engineer' she was working with(not the mixer) sends me 'stems'. Not only were these just individual tracks, but they were labeled "HFITSTkik, HFITSTsnr" etc. AND, they were all normalized...
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Old 06-14-2017, 03:49 AM
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JUST had this, last week. Woman(bandleader) wants me to do a mix for her, after having an engineer, who claimed to be trained by Bruce Swedien, do a mix for her. I've known BS for decades(and I know 'bs' when I hear it), he did NOT train this dude. The 'engineer' she was working with(not the mixer) sends me 'stems'. Not only were these just individual tracks, but they were labeled "HFITSTkik, HFITSTsnr" etc. AND, they were all normalized...
Nomalization - I hate that process; I've yet to hear anything that's had that done to it that doesn't sound like crap. And as far as track names - I'm not taking the side of the person that did the naming but to a certain extent we're kind of stuck due to naming limitations (space) in each daw with PT being one of the worst. Sure you can name a track 'male vocal omni 1' but that gets truncated to fit PT's track name space. Do the same thing in Digital Performer and you can see the whole name.
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Old 06-14-2017, 06:12 AM
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Normalization? Yuk! Wasted code. I can't believe someone sits there and writes code for it for a DAW. Should be banned.
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Nomalization - I hate that process; I've yet to hear anything that's had that done to it that doesn't sound like crap.
Well, if you want to have a master limiter on your 2-track and you try to not do any limiting, isn't it the same thing? So in other words, normalizing the final mix to -0.3 rises the levels and guarantees that there is no limiting whatsoever. So it's not completely uselsess
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Well, if you want to have a master limiter on your 2-track and you try to not do any limiting, isn't it the same thing? So in other words, normalizing the final mix to -0.3 rises the levels and guarantees that there is no limiting whatsoever. So it's not completely uselsess
May not be useless if one wants to make a mix sound like crap. Every normalizing algorithm I've ever heard has had a deleterious effect on the audio quality.

http://www.learndigitalaudio.com/normalize-audio
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bump.

Went through this again yesterday with someone.
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This is SO old.

Normalization is nothing more than gain with a defined max level relative to 0 dbfs.

The "stems"-definition question I'm afraid will ride us for the unforeseeable future - I don't care. Semantics.
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Semantics.
Exactly. The meaning of terms.

If stems means multitrack now, how do you say "stems"?
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If stems means multitrack now, how do you say "stems"?
I dunno, "submixes"?
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