Is Pro Tools behind the curve?

[EdgarRothermich]

Originally Posted by @tention

The opposite is the case.
PT concentrates on the really important things.
While some other DAWs have a gazillion bells and whistles (that often don't work as expected) PT really - I mean really (!) - gets the basics right.

There is at least one exception and that is metering.
Pro Tools provides a gazillion bells and whistles for any meter standard on the planet and lets you tweak them on top of that (which is great), BUT it pretends that Loudness Meters don't exist.
For an industry leader, that omission is just strange. For a kid that makes some beats in their bedroom maybe, but not for audio professionals. And no, this is not some "special" tool that you should be required to install a third-party plugin.

[Bob Olhsson]

Loudness meters have a lot more computational overhead than others. I'm not sure it would make sense on every channel. The Avid Pro Limiter has a nice one.

[JFreak]

Just choose VU metering and that kid making beats will see that the lightbulb is on all the time and that it means good

[Darryl Ramm]

Originally Posted by JFreak

Just choose VU metering and that kid making beats will see that the lightbulb is on all the time and that it means good

[jasonkalman]

I think PT's is fine. Sure there are things I'd like to see improved. CPU usage is an obvious one. Limiting voice counts seems odd.

That said, I've tried to switch to Logic Pro X but the latency is just atrocious. Sure that could be due to my interface (Apollo TB3) but still really bad at even the lowest buffer. Plus editing audio in Logic is a pain, so I just always come back to PTs. It just works.

[Darryl Ramm]

Originally Posted by jasonkalman

I've tried to switch to Logic Pro X but the latency is just atrocious. Sure that could be due to my interface (Apollo TB3) but still really bad at even the lowest buffer.

Just curious, what latency is reported and what buffer size/sample rate? UAD interfaces are not the absolute lowest latency devices but still...

One minor gripe about Logic I have is it does not display the session sample rate in the Audio Preference panel or ask you for it when creating a new session so it's easier to occasionally end up with a sample rate I was not expecting and then be scratching my head about the exact latency numbers.

Plus editing audio in Logic is a pain, so I just always come back to PTs. It just works.

No disagreement there.

[saptezsapte]

The real curve where Pro Tools is way behind is the prices Avid asks to mantain the boat floating, alienating a lot of it's user base with recent moves (the trust is earned hard and lost fast - I like PT but I don't trust Avid at all after recent shift, I don't care what were the reasons behind it). The reference is the crowded market with more and more capable competitors for home users, not to say about industry decline - the one adressed by Avid. The game industry is occupied fast by Steinberg's aggresive moves with Nuendo (they have the will and the resources to do that). With this prices and politics, Avid will become a joke. The other competitors user base are making jokes already about Avid bullying it's customers with a long list of expensive or "dead end" traps when You wand to make a decision. Shares can be a little better today, but in long term the ship will sink, all because competition is being more performant as business model and because the lack of trust in Avid.

[arche3]

As long as avid spends the resources on large format controllers they are not going anywhere. Noone else is doing this. Imagine a Hollywood director walking into a mix suite and it's some guy on a laptop with logic x.





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[EdgarRothermich]

Originally Posted by arche3

As long as avid spends the resources on large format controllers they are not going anywhere. Noone else is doing this. Imagine a Hollywood director walking into a mix suite and it's some guy on a laptop with logic x.

Good point, but how about same Hollywood director walks into the studio suite, sees the big S6 consoles, but they're controlling Nuendo, DaVinci, or Logic?

Yes, AVID has a little bit of influx with their controllers, but their gambling with PT is dangerous. How long can they claim to be the industry standard and rely on the big post houses and Dolby Atmos, when the DAW market is closing in on them big time.

[capt kirk]

I said this here over 5 years ago. They should have bought Wwise and SoundMiner. They would have closed off any fire exits, everyone would be stuck. Now they can buy FMOD , but the crown jewel was wwise. and soundminer. wouldve built an unassailable pro platform.