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1) Please detail the roundtrip analog to analog monitoring latency with 4 Waves Plugins through one of the Soundgrid I/O boxes and PT11. Mic --> SG I/O --> 4 plugins --> SG i/O --> Headphones (DAW = PT11 Native with buffer set to 512) AT: 1A) 44.1kHz 1B) 96kHz Please include any buffer settings from the Waves SG system. 2) Also is there any latency difference between different SG I/O boxes (DLS and IOS for instance) 3) Lastly - if one wants to use a NON-SG plugin for monitoring - forcing one to go THROUGH PT and not straight through the LowLatency waves path - what would be the total latency for -- Mic --> SG I/O --> 1 PT11 AAX Plugin --> SG i/O --> Headphones (DAW = PT11 Native with buffer set to either 44.1/32 or 96/64)
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So they have a mystery TDM-->native code wrapper nobody else could have done and they have proven that performance sucks if you go from low-level assembly to high-level language? Well that is something
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I'm devloping some audio plug-ins and it isn't story of writing plug-ins on C++/ C+... It's about algoritm and technology...
I'm happy with my HDNative and digigrid and I try to share my experiences that I'm having for a year:) Cheers Quote:
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I would never use a plugin, or anything else for that matter, to widen the signal. There is not one that doesn't work by simply putting things slightly out of phase. Terrible things those wideners. If a person can't get a mix to sound wide enough without one of those things something's wrong with the mix. Anyway, sorry for the digression. Back to the thread, Ha |
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Do the moderators on the forum here have a documented test method from AVID? something that we can actually repeat and reproduce amongst ourselves and our measurement system could be the same... if we start working with theoretical numbers I am afraid this thread could dissolve into garbage, that is what I want to avoid. It would be great to have the truth. Your test #1, I get. #2, Is great and will be interesting. Your Test #3, you're going to have to help me understand why you would even choose to do that? I'll clarify so if my understanding is way off; if I am overdubbing in a session with my HDX system, I always choose DSP plug-ins, I would never in this situation put a native plug-in as an insert. If I misunderstood, please clarify. I would propose we start with a PT11 session, setup with a routing scheme, that we could record through an output, with DSP plug-ins, and then back through an input and we could measure the delay against the original. Then we can just swap out the AAX DSP plug-ins, with the StudioRack SG I/O configuration. Something similar to how we verify delay compensation issues with the current system. Seem reasonable? |
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I am only interested in real world performance To this end I have already measure ND Native (the only system I own) for RTL latency like #1 in this post - http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=344994 . I only measure things with Function generator and Oscilloscope. I know of no way to do this using ProTools that I can absolutely trust that the software isn't compensating for things. I feed a signal in and measure the delay in real time. So for all zero additional latency plug ins (in Native) we get no additional latency by chaining them on a record enabled track. WRT #3 - once we know #1 for HDN, #3 is only impacted by any additional latency the plug in adds. Now with SG - there are MANY potential paths - each with its own latency implication - Low Latency using their i/o and dsp - Going in their i/o and looping through ProTools (Native/HDN) for a non-Waves plug - Going in AVID i/o and looping into one of their DSP boxes for Waves plugin then back to AVID i/o for headphones Not to mention the concerns of VI people - Going into either their box or AVID box - routing through a VI and going back to headphones. And your question about - HDX guy wanting to route AVID i/o loop through their DSP box and back to AVID i/o for headphones. Every one of these has latency implications and so far we have NOTHING from Waves on how it really works. Just "enthusiasm" as a replacement for facts... HD Native is great but Latency is always a concern. The new Soundgrid stuff may be brilliant or "other" - I truly can not tell from the info available so far! I am happy to be the test point for all things HD Native related. Agree on a structure and i will post results
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Hi Emcha_audio,
I think you have missunderstood what's the Soundgrid... You didn't try the DLS box but you have too many ideas on Digigrid... waves ported ssl plug to hdx to evaluate how much work is needed to do it.. the benchmark speaks to themselfve about the relative power of hdx card crd intel servers! moreover the intel servers are true double precision while hdx is a 32 bit engine and the power you get from intel servers it much more then hdx at a fraction of the price... I really can't understand that why waves has an obligation to write their AAX DSP(250~ plug-ins)? I don't know and I hope you know the price of debuging an AAX DSP plug-in? There are too many companies that they won't support their AAX DSP plug-ins... I understand their dessicion because they won't... Steven massey allready told that he should't re-code his plug-ins AAX DSP! It's buisness... So reality will speak... Ùmit Quote:
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