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Re: D-Control--Why so large?
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In a nutshell, in as plain English as I can muster, I would like to see Digi make a control surface that has all the functionality of the D-Control, if not more, with a smaller footprint (smaller knobs, closer faders, etc), and a more reasonable price. If a 3rd party had access to the code I'm guessing it could be done quite profitably for 20 k. They'd sell like hotcakes. The thing that really got me going about the big knobs was when I put a Focusrite eq on the center section and started to tweak some frequencies. When I do that on my Trident I get an almost physical sense of satisfaction as I turn a knob and feel a track brightening or a bass blooming at 100 hz, or whatever. When I twisted that big old mushroom knob with the Focusrite eq the resulting thin and unimpressive sound just made the knob seem way too big and gave me no rewarding physical sensation. Mixing digitally is more of a surgical process than mixing analog, and I think the tools should feel more surgical and less "blunt instrument." As always, just my opinion. -R
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If you're a studio owner or a manager of engineers why not just say so. If you're a second engineer, or a runner even, there's no shame in that either. My guess is Digi sales guy, or in pro audio retail somewhere. -R
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Re: D-Control--Why so large?
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My point is that the basic model of the ICON costs $60,000.00, I think. The center section has been designed to fit into the front-to-back depth of the desk. If you have a smaller footprint, how is the center section going to fit into it? Oh, so you'd like a re-design of the product. And while they're at it, you'd like to have this for a ProControl price? Digi already has the ProControl at that price point...why create another product at that level? Look at the fit and finish of the PC...it's sure got a lot of plastic going on and it costs $12K. Now, look at the fit and finish of an Icon. MUCH better, but it sells for $60K. Like I said before, I don't really think it's the physical size of the product that's bothering either you or Kriz. It's the $$$. If this exact product were available for $20K, neither of you would give a hoot about the size...you'd be opening the champagne and staying up all night playing with the thing. And on the other hand, if the desk were physically smaller but still cost $60K, neither of you would be buying it anyway because you have concerns about whether or not it would be a wise financial move. Your complaint about the size is just your way of saying to Digi "Can we get a version of the Icon FOR A MUCH LESSER PRICE"? And that's what I think is relatively unrealistic about your wishes. Kind of like saying to SSL, "I like your $600K J-Series, but I only need 16 channels of it...can I have that for $50,000.00?" By the way, Kriz, we've got Florian up here as a user of the product and he doesn't seem to feel as though the desk's size is a problem of any kind. He might know better than either of us, since he's spent more time on it than we have.
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In regard to your other post, no we are not just having a philosophical discussion. I am absolutely and positively no Digi sales guy, nor do I work in pro audio retail...nor have I ever on either counts. What I did say was quite true...I work closely with many of the big names and when I say work closely, I am surely not running to get them coffee or patching in their racks. Beyond that, I prefer to keep my anonymity in tact for my own reasons. Your thoughts about the mushroom controls are interesting. I could easily see that getting used to these devices might take some time, and perhaps we will never feel about them as we do "normal" knobs. Could be. I don't have enough hands-on time to know. I believe that you seem to be thinking that the cost of an Icon is there because of its "size". Meaning, if it had smaller knobs, the price would drop in half and that's not realistic. Kriz, what you want is a Mercedes at a Hyundai price.
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Florian is also doing post, I believe, so his requirements and considerations are different from mine. Fair enough. -R
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I'd be much more likely to buy a compact, more ergonomically designed controller for 60 k than I would the Icon at 20k. As far as being a wise financial move, if it's the right piece of gear 60k is not such a huge investment and would be one I could easily absorb. Like I say, I've got my checkbook out. You can stamp your feet and say it ain't so, but that's honestly how I feel about it. BTW, this thread has had over 200 views. Has nobody else tried this thing out? -R
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Re: D-Control--Why so large?
But hopefully you see my point.
If it were smaller, yet still $60K, you wouldn't buy one. If it were the same size as it is, but priced at $20K, you would buy one. So your argument is not really about size, it's about price. Just like getting a 16 channel J for $50K. Or a Mercedes for $10K. Or a Neumann for $99.00. By the same token, you'd probably be MUCH MUCH busier if you just cut your rate by 75%. Instead of charging $1,000.00/day, why not charge $100.00? You'd be booked 24/7/365. Just like $20K Icons will sell like hotcakes. Do you get this? PS Just giving you a hard time!
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Hmm. -R
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