"A game changer"

[EricWillhelm]

I just wanted to pop in and suggest that they change the quote from Will Files on that opening banner for PT10 on the Avid site. It SHOULD say, "You're finally going to be able to do things you've been able to do in every other DAW up to this point...and for alot more money!". (rimshot)

It should be said, yes, I am a PT sucker who is guilty of enabling the 'industry standard'. The IDEAL me would take the time to learn a different program. Instead, I just keep taking the lazy way out and paying more and more money to keep using the program I already know in order to avoid a new learning curve. Shame on me!

[Emcha_audio]

the lazy me who actually learned logic, cubase, nuendo (pretty much the same) sonar, tells you that I prefer pro tools for mixing and editing hands down over all the other and that you can just go take a hike.

[EricWillhelm]

I won't be taking any hikes soon. I'll surely stay right here where I am, trying to feel good about dishing out all the extra money for toolkits to unlock otherwise-basic features on what is admittedly yes, a very good program, even without all the myriad abilities all the other programs have. I just think it would be bizarrely refreshing to see them take a purely honest approach in their promotional materials: "Pro Tools 10. We're catching up!"

[Emcha_audio]

Originally Posted by EricWillhelm

I won't be taking any hikes soon. I'll surely stay right here where I am, trying to feel good about dishing out all the extra money for toolkits to unlock otherwise-basic features on what is admittedly yes, a very good program, even without all the myriad abilities all the other programs have. I just think it would be bizarrely refreshing to see them take a purely honest approach in their promotional materials: "Pro Tools 10. We're catching up!"

And the lazy me butts my own arse for not reading properly your original post

[Chris Lambrechts]

Originally Posted by EricWillhelm

I just think it would be bizarrely refreshing to see them take a purely honest approach in their promotional materials: "Pro Tools 10. We're catching up!"

Hi Eric,

Read this post and wonder if over time, as you start using the new features in Pro Tools 10 that opinion will change to : Pro Tools 10, setting a new standard for features that other daw's implement without thinking them through all the way'

I realize this is a bold, arrogant even statement but maybe it illustrates the confidence I have asking you this nonetheless : Would you come back after exploring the features in depth, putting them through their paces over a couple of projects, maybe come up with your own tips and techniques etc .... and say you changed your opinion ?

Chris

[EricWillhelm]

Here's an example of what sullies my opinion: Pro Tools 4 featured a SMPTE timeline as a standard feature. In version 5 it disappeared. Then, we were offered the chance to get that feature back, along with a few other features, for over $1,000, as part of the new DV Toolkit.

As for "setting a new standard for features that other daw's implement without thinking them through all the way", would this include having the only input monitoring that can't be turned off?

For me it's more about this gap between versions, though 9 took care of alot of that. We still have the 'Complete Production Toolkit' gap now.

And as for "Would you come back after exploring the features in depth, putting them through their paces over a couple of projects, maybe come up with your own tips and techniques etc .... and say you changed your opinion ?"

I sure would love to. Trouble is, I have friends who use other programs who, when I glow about the new features, will laugh that we're only just getting said feature. OR they'll ask if said new feature allows a certain function (like aforementioned input monitoring, or visible waveforms when you move regions etc etc). I say no, and they laugh again. Meanwhile, I keep forking over the cash! And I surely will continue to do so, so no worries. You got me hooked!

[Stig Eliassen]

I sure would love to. Trouble is, I have friends who use other programs who, when I glow about the new features, will laugh that we're only just getting said feature. OR they'll ask if said new feature allows a certain function (like aforementioned input monitoring, or visible waveforms when you move regions etc etc). I say no, and they laugh again. Meanwhile, I keep forking over the cash! And I surely will continue to do so, so no worries. You got me hooked!

Out of curiosity; which features are your friends missing in PT 10?

Also, what I do when dragging regions around, is to watch the thin, vertical line up in the timeline ruler. It is level with the grabber tool at all times, so I use that as a reference. So, I just click on, say, the loudest part of a region, and can easily drag it to where I want it.

IHTH.

[rockridge]

Originally Posted by EricWillhelm

...yes, I am a PT sucker who is guilty of enabling the 'industry standard'.

You aren't enabling Avid... none of us did that.

ProTools is where it is because no other DAW touches its ease of use.
Cubase, Logic, Sonar, DP, Reaper... all make my eyes glaze over.

If someone can create a DAW that approaches ProTools work flow advantages, Avid will have something to worry about.

[EricWillhelm]

Originally Posted by rockridge

ProTools is where it is because no other DAW touches its ease of use. Cubase, Logic, Sonar, DP, Reaper... all make my eyes glaze over. If someone can create a DAW that approaches ProTools work flow advantages, Avid will have something to worry about.

I imagine any one person who has worked with a given DAW for many years can say the same about all the other ones. I know that whenever I try to wrap my brain around a different one, my eyes do indeed glaze over...but then I haven't spent years getting to know those particular programs inside and out like I did Pro Tools. Conversely, my old boss, who uses Sony Vegas (which I hadn't even HEARD of when I started at that studio) thought that Pro Tools was clumsy/complicated/ etc, and he was a speed whiz on Vegas. I of course, was the opposite.

[rockridge]

Originally Posted by EricWillhelm

I imagine any one person who has worked with a given DAW for many years can say the same about all the other ones.

When I first started out I used Master Tracks Pro.
I had Steinberg Pro 24... could have used it, but I didn't.

When the Atari died I bought a Mac and went with Studio Vision.
I had Emagic Logic and MOTU Performer... could have used either of those, but I didn't.

When Opcode went out of business, I moved to ProTools.
I had other DAWS... they were all on an equal footing at that time, but Protools out shined them all.

All the DAWS I used had one thing in common... ease of use.
Not aimed at the "busy-work" types.

My point is, I'm not using Protools just because I'm used to it.

I use it because it's the easiest to use, maybe that's why it's an industry standard.
It didn't start out as an industry standard, but it is now!

Anyway, it's the best to me...