Avid Pro Audio Community

Avid Pro Audio Community

How to Join & Post  •  Community Terms of Use  •  Help Us Help You

Knowledge Base Search  •  Community Search  •  Learn & Support


Avid Home Page

Go Back   Avid Pro Audio Community > Pro Tools Software > Tips & Tricks

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #31  
Old 12-12-2013, 01:53 PM
Craig F Craig F is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 12,591
Default Re: Proper Recording Levels

Quote:
Originally Posted by bryced87 View Post
So basically if my recording levels aren't clipping I'm fine?
Maybe, maybe not. Depends on inter sample clipping.


Quote:
friend of mine from Berklee Music says that dBFS is what you always go by
that's a loaded statement of miss information

dBFS: decibels Full Scale, 0 is top and other number is the headroom to 0
dBu, dBm, dBV are sales the are relative to a nominal voltage into a load

So a mic pre that has a measurement of 0VU = +4dBu with 22dB of head room means it would clip at 22VU or +26dBu so for digital it would be -22dBFS
__________________
...

"Fly High Freeee click psst tic tic tic click Bird Yeah!" - dave911

PT11 System Requirements link http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/C...m-Requirements


Thank you,

Craig
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 12-12-2013, 01:58 PM
CygnusX-1Bk2 CygnusX-1Bk2 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Concord, CA
Posts: 620
Default Re: Proper Recording Levels

It's all about headroom. Green is good, yellow (or orange) is caution and red means stop. It's like a traffic signal. It's taken me almost 10 years to figure this out. The input meters on my console match the ones in ProTools so the top segment of green and bottom segment of yellow correspond by default.

This is not to say you can't record hotter but the system sounds best when you operate within the green peaking into yellow. If your mixes are too quiet (or quieter than you are used to) you can always make the files louder outside of ProTools. Technically that is mastering.

When I mix for broadcast (USA ATSC A/85) I have to put a hard cap at -10 then use a loudness meter (TC LM2) to adjust perceived loudness to operate within the standard. This generally corresponds to green peaking into yellow on the PT meters (keep in mind dynamic range is reduced by limiting and squeezing pretty good).
__________________
I will choose,
Freewill
http://jimdiazaudio.com/
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 12-12-2013, 08:11 PM
bryced87 bryced87 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: USA
Posts: 410
Default Re: Proper Recording Levels

Maybe I'm still lost because -22dBFS sounds super quiet to me. Which side of the fader am I looking at. There are numbers on both sides.
__________________
Macbook Pro

Mac OS 10.10.3
Mbox 2,
Pro Tools 11
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 12-12-2013, 08:23 PM
YYR123's Avatar
YYR123 YYR123 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Austin TX
Posts: 13,673
Default Re: Proper Recording Levels

Quote:
Originally Posted by bryced87 View Post
Maybe I'm still lost because -22dBFS sounds super quiet to me. Which side of the fader am I looking at. There are numbers on both sides.
The Dbfs side of the fader the other side is another scale - if it's sounds quite turn up your monitoring amps
__________________
Daniel
HDX - PT12.5.1 - HD I/O 16x8x8
Win10-Pro (v1709)- 6 Core i7-6850k - ASUS X99 Deluxe ii
D-Command Main Unit - 'Ole Blue


http://www.sknoteaudio.com/ plugins rock and are affordable.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 12-12-2013, 08:24 PM
bryced87 bryced87 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: USA
Posts: 410
Default Re: Proper Recording Levels

but which side is the Dbfs site of the meter?
__________________
Macbook Pro

Mac OS 10.10.3
Mbox 2,
Pro Tools 11
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 12-12-2013, 08:50 PM
YYR123's Avatar
YYR123 YYR123 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Austin TX
Posts: 13,673
Default Re: Proper Recording Levels

I could be wrong (don't think so) Dbfs on the right and the left is the attenuation or (possibly) rms scale (don't know if that's right)

Go chargers !
__________________
Daniel
HDX - PT12.5.1 - HD I/O 16x8x8
Win10-Pro (v1709)- 6 Core i7-6850k - ASUS X99 Deluxe ii
D-Command Main Unit - 'Ole Blue


http://www.sknoteaudio.com/ plugins rock and are affordable.
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 12-12-2013, 09:18 PM
SpinningDisk's Avatar
SpinningDisk SpinningDisk is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 1,474
Default Re: Proper Recording Levels

Quote:
Originally Posted by YYR123 View Post
I could be wrong (don't think so) Dbfs on the right and the left is the attenuation or (possibly) rms scale (don't know if that's right)

Go chargers !

He'll yeah🏈
__________________
PT 11, PT LE 6.0, DIGI 001, DIGI 003, 27" Late 2012 Intel iMac, Blue and White G3, Reason 7, Celemony, Waves, A.I.R., Softube, XLN Audio, IKmultimedia, Massey
Alesis Masterlink, Alesis Adat LX20,
, Yamaha Motif ES8, Sure SM58, Sure KSM27, Byerdynamic MC 834 N, Event Project Studio 6, Pod Line 6, Focusrite Trakmaster Pro DI, Glyph Drives, Lexicon,
Fender Strats, Ibanez Acoustic, Ibanez Bass, Ibanez Electric.

http://www.johnackermusic.com/
protools@verizon.net

Live and Let Live
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 12-12-2013, 09:19 PM
bryced87 bryced87 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: USA
Posts: 410
Default Re: Proper Recording Levels

Looking at the Meters now it looks like I should try to aim for -12. It is okay if the meter is sometimes in the yellow when I record? Sometimes if I'm recording bass there are softer parts and then louder ones.
__________________
Macbook Pro

Mac OS 10.10.3
Mbox 2,
Pro Tools 11
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 12-12-2013, 09:35 PM
SpinningDisk's Avatar
SpinningDisk SpinningDisk is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 1,474
Default Re: Proper Recording Levels

That's where you might want to use a little compression to even it out a little, if that's what you want.
__________________
PT 11, PT LE 6.0, DIGI 001, DIGI 003, 27" Late 2012 Intel iMac, Blue and White G3, Reason 7, Celemony, Waves, A.I.R., Softube, XLN Audio, IKmultimedia, Massey
Alesis Masterlink, Alesis Adat LX20,
, Yamaha Motif ES8, Sure SM58, Sure KSM27, Byerdynamic MC 834 N, Event Project Studio 6, Pod Line 6, Focusrite Trakmaster Pro DI, Glyph Drives, Lexicon,
Fender Strats, Ibanez Acoustic, Ibanez Bass, Ibanez Electric.

http://www.johnackermusic.com/
protools@verizon.net

Live and Let Live
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 12-12-2013, 09:39 PM
YYR123's Avatar
YYR123 YYR123 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Austin TX
Posts: 13,673
Default Re: Proper Recording Levels

Quote:
Originally Posted by bryced87 View Post
Looking at the Meters now it looks like I should try to aim for -12. It is okay if the meter is sometimes in the yellow when I record? Sometimes if I'm recording bass there are softer parts and then louder ones.
As stated b/F - feli said read and read some more

I shoot for peak -8 personally -

Softer and louder parts ? Enter the compressor !!!!
__________________
Daniel
HDX - PT12.5.1 - HD I/O 16x8x8
Win10-Pro (v1709)- 6 Core i7-6850k - ASUS X99 Deluxe ii
D-Command Main Unit - 'Ole Blue


http://www.sknoteaudio.com/ plugins rock and are affordable.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Question on proper levels LongRoad Tips & Tricks 12 06-14-2009 04:56 AM
rca recording levels/proper interface channel rygar22 003, Mbox 2, Digi 002, original Mbox, Digi 001 (Mac) 3 08-07-2005 01:21 AM
Recording Levels jawjam 003, Mbox 2, Digi 002, original Mbox, Digi 001 (Mac) 12 08-20-2004 02:32 AM
Proper recording/monitoring of vocals MarkH 003, Mbox 2, Digi 002, original Mbox, Digi 001 (Mac) 26 08-17-2004 12:15 AM
*Recording Levels* mentalmusic 003, Mbox 2, Digi 002, original Mbox, Digi 001 (Mac) 10 08-03-2002 10:10 AM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 06:53 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited. Forum Hosted By: URLJet.com