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Old 01-20-2011, 01:07 PM
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Default Re: The Big Upgrade PCI to PCIe. Native or Accel!!!

I am in a similar situation...

I considered Native, but if I put it in a room that does recording, aren't we running into the massive and unusable delays of a Native or LE system for talent monitoring? Sure, I know how to setup a patch bay for Cue monitoring, but it is better for me to monitor off of the core I/O.

For a mix or edit only situation, it is a little different. If you use ADC, how much of that is taking up host processing and what is left over for doing a 5.1 mix?

I don't know anything, but my personal guess is after all of the new PT 9 native options and Hardware introduced, I suspect some kind of HD system enhancement is on the horizon. I'd be surprised if there were not. Then again, I am happy I never bought the AV Option..........
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Old 01-20-2011, 01:13 PM
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Default Re: The Big Upgrade PCI to PCIe. Native or Accel!!!

It all depends.

Native is a fantastic solution... most of us simply need to monitor 5.1 and a stereo bus, need maybe 2 inputs for ADR and that's it. So the native option coupled with a new mac is very nice (and very powerful) - but I don't think I'd stick it on a stage or in a critical environment with clients. Home for sure, mix b as well... but when clients are paying to review and system stabilization is paramount, TDM is the way to go.

I'm not doubting the info above on no HD hardware until 2013 - but it sounds a little weird. In terms of technology, that's a lifetime - especially because it's been often rumored the dsp chips were getting overhauled.

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Old 01-20-2011, 01:54 PM
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Default Re: The Big Upgrade PCI to PCIe. Native or Accel!!!

Just a side comment....

DIdn't Digidesign kind of do this many years ago. first with Project card which was like a mix i/O card that you couldnt connect a 888, 882 etc to. There was also so host only playback/editing software called PowerMix. I dont think either products did too well.
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Old 01-20-2011, 07:53 PM
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Default Re: The Big Upgrade PCI to PCIe. Native or Accel!!!

Another option buy a Dell or HP Qualified avid PC it has the same processors as the current mac pro

If you think windows 7 is scary... Hackintosh.

I daily change between my Win 7 Protools and my mac rig..

Don't you think its a bit stupid throwing away money, just cause you want to stick with apple? It will at least keep you going till the next HD cards?
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Old 01-20-2011, 08:05 PM
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Default Re: The Big Upgrade PCI to PCIe. Native or Accel!!!

Power Mix was severely limited and was the precursor to LE

If I remember correctly the Mix I/O card needed a TDM Farm Card but thats starting to get fuzzy about what was what, when
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Old 01-20-2011, 08:24 PM
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Default Re: The Big Upgrade PCI to PCIe. Native or Accel!!!

Are you guys saying the Avid is no longer manufacturing Accels or any type of TDM? or are you saying that Avid does not offer any upgrade paths from PCI to PCI-e but they still manufacture TDMs. Or is it because Avid now has new PCI-e cards that will run PT10 at 64 bit? ,and of course, if we want that new system we'll just have to dish out the money because our current TDM Accels will be worth zip!
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Old 01-20-2011, 08:35 PM
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Default Re: The Big Upgrade PCI to PCIe. Native or Accel!!!

It appears that Avid killed the PCI to PCIe cross-grade over the weekend w/o any warning

Magam is the other option to reuse your PCI cards (be green, Avid just tosses the PCI cards in a hole someplace)
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Default Re: The Big Upgrade PCI to PCIe. Native or Accel!!!

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but when clients are paying to review and system stabilization is paramount, TDM is the way to go
I go back and forth between HD systems and native systems, and if anything, the native ones are a little more stable (at least under PT8). There are certainly good reasons to use TDM, but stability doesn't seem to be one of them.
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Old 01-21-2011, 05:39 AM
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Default Re: The Big Upgrade PCI to PCIe. Native or Accel!!!

My dealer just told me that there are NO MORE upgrades of any kind to HD PCIe (neither Mix, Mix+, HD PCI or any other hardware)

Either thereดs no more HD hardware available or they are finally cutting off everything before HD.

Seems like something is "in the air"...
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Old 01-21-2011, 08:51 AM
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Default Re: The Big Upgrade PCI to PCIe. Native or Accel!!!

doesn't say anything about PCIe
so essentially since PCIx and PCI
cards are being upgraded
not a big deal to finally drop supporting upgrades
for 15 year old technologies
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