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Re: "Inserts" vs "Hardware inserts"
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Re: "Inserts" vs "Hardware inserts"
Hi Gogojoe, These guys are all trying to help you, I realize you are frustrated with trying to get this to work, but they have stated everything you need to know to understand this and I think you are focusing too much on the wrong parts of their posts.
I think we need to break this down into smaller chunks of information to help you better understand. Please don't be offended if you already know this, I just want to start from scratch and go through this one step at a time. So, question 1: do you have an insert Y cable like the one in the image attached to this post?
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Re: "Inserts" vs "Hardware inserts"
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I think the most likely candidate is that the cable is incorrectly wired. He made it pretty clear in his first post that he understands his interface has an insert point, that is pre-DAW, and that the DAW also allows for plug-in inserts, and hardware inserts using matched I/O. The only grey areas are the reliability of the Y-lead, the hardware compressor, and interface insert point. As previously mentioned, those can all be "trouble-shooted" without Pro Tools even being launched (the procedures have already been detailed in an earlier post). This is a hardware frustration, no point being frustrated with the Pro Tools software - on this occasion |
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Re: "Inserts" vs "Hardware inserts"
So let me guess you actually have a *keyboard* connected to a line-in on the back of the Mbox 3 Pro? (if not you have other problems). And you are trying to get a *preamp* hardware insert working that is in the Mic preamp side of the input channel. That insert won't ever work unless you are going into the Mic input. The most simple troubleshooting would have shown this is not working: as suggested multiple times inserting the TRS plug would not have broken the circuit... you did not even check that right? The documentation I pointed you at before describes the *preamp* insert, but I get that if you are new to all this that explanation may not be clear.. the Mbox 3 Pro schematics in other places/white papers should make that clear, as would just some experience/knowledge of how these type of inserts are normally used.
The reason folks did not spot this straight away is nobody would normally do what you are trying to do. You don't use the insert for a line level source. You just plug the keyboard into the compressor input, plug the compressor output into the back panel line input of the Mbox 3 Pro and you are done. Just like you would with a PA or tape recorder or anything else. Last edited by Darryl Ramm; 01-20-2016 at 08:39 AM. |
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When used as intended, the insert signal flow looks like this: Mic input -> Mic Pre -> Insert send -> External box -> Insert return -> AD Converter -> DAW input My guess is that the inserts only work when you are using a mic, meaning the insert is ignored because the mbox detected a line level input, bypassing the mic pre.
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This is a good case for why product documentation should always include a schematic. The schematics in the Mbox family white paper (http://www.avid.com/static/resources...logy_guide.pdf) should have been in the User Guide. In addition it would would have been great to also include example studio setup type schematics as used in other Avid documentation. |
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That answers the question from the original post... The correct way to use the inserts on your interface are only when using the mic in, not line in.
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Re: "Inserts" vs "Hardware inserts"
Thanks for sharing that doc (it's linked from the Mbox Pro Docs KB). The section about Connecting Inserts in the Mbox Pro User Guide agrees with this:
Mbox Pro provides a total of four insert jacks (Inserts 1–4) for inserting external processing devices such as an EQ or a compressor between the input channel’s onboard mic preamp and the onboard analog to digital convertor.So that's why the compressor (Insert 3) didn't affect your keyboard (Line Input 3). If you want to use your compressor on your keyboard you can do one of the following...
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