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Old 03-16-2013, 03:37 PM
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Hackintosh my fellow brethren !!!

Hackintosh the best computer u can imagine for $1500 or less
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Yeah I would go Win7 if I went back (I'm not) !!
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Personally I run an older q9550 quad with Mountain Lion and Windows 8. I'm happy with the performance with both. Windows 8 fixed the freeze during bounce and it boots much faster. Lion was better IMO but in upgrading my video card to an Nvidea GTX 650 I just couldn't get Lion to work anymore. Mountain Lion works as it should and its nice to have both sides to use for different tasks. I use Acid (windows only) for tempo matching and I like the way OSX lays out the windows in dual monitors. Problem with AMD, it's not supported, it's near impossible to get OSX to work right. But it's cheaper. I find my wife's AMD laptop runs extremely hit as well. I'm not sure if they do in general or not. But it's terrible. Just a couple penny's for your pondering. :).


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Hard to beat a hackintosh in the priceerformance category. Won't deny that.
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Hard to beat a hackintosh in the priceerformance category. Won't deny that.
But is there any empirical evidence that shows a hackintosh is more powerful than a Windows i7 6 core/X79/Quad-channel RAM setup? If you prefer OSX, then it certainly makes sense, but I don't think there's a performance advantage to a hackintosh, vs. a well-built PC I was an AMD fan for many years(and have built 5-6 AMD systems), but the i7 9xx was a milestone in performance, and those using the newest 6 core make me jealous, for sure...............
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Old 03-17-2013, 02:01 AM
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But is there any empirical evidence that shows a hackintosh is more powerful than a Windows i7 6 core/X79/Quad-channel RAM setup? If you prefer OSX, then it certainly makes sense, but I don't think there's a performance advantage to a hackintosh, vs. a well-built PC I was an AMD fan for many years(and have built 5-6 AMD systems), but the i7 9xx was a milestone in performance, and those using the newest 6 core make me jealous, for sure...............
I think the Core2 Quad was the actual watershed moment. It was the first time you could literally double your PT performance for around 100.00. Suddenly anyone could build a monster DAW at desktop prices. The i7 920 pretty much proved that you could have solid performance and only continued the native power trend. It also proved that you were probably better off using the Enthusiast class or workstation hardware over the desktop parts.

I had a AMD 6 core running 8.0.1 I had lent to a friend along with a MBOX and it ran PT just fine. Performance was roughly the same as a Q6600. The AMD Stars series and the current FX series still use a little more power than the Intel stuff and still have less performance. However they are priced nicely and you can overclocked the unlocked ones pretty easily. Although you will pay the price in power and heat.

Bulldozer switched to a new front end architecture for AMD were each integer unit of the dual core module is sharing a single floating point unit along with shared L2 Cache. This is why the older Phenom series was beating bulldozer in a few benchmarks. The newest cores have a lot of tweaks regarding power gating and some fine tuning that helps the benchmarks and power usage. Not enough but there's less of a penalty. PT LOVES large L2 and L3 caches since it reduces the amount of writes it needs to make to the main memory. Intels foundries being a step or two ahead has let them build chips with large caches or more transistors and keep them with in the power envelope . Starting with the i5 series they put a tremendous amount of time and engineering into the branch predictors and fine tuning the L2 cache for optimal performance across a variety of workloads. From a performance or power usage your not going to beat Intel right now.

AMD is still a great choice for budget builds and general desktops. And while we all want something more energy efficient its unlikely you will ever use the price difference in electricity over the life of the computer. This would be more of issue if you were running an entire office of terminals or a server room. For the average home owner with one or two computers this isn't an issue. And AMDs embedded graphics are powerful enough that in most situations you don't need a add in graphics card. I would have no qualms about recommending AMD for general computing.
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Howdy Scott,
The information you provided here is exactly what I was looking for in the discussion. I don't fully understand all of the technical points, like sharing a single floating point unit, or power gating, but the L2 and L3 cache size makes sense to me. I looked up the cache size for my Phenom II 1045T (3,072 Kbytes and 6,144 Kbytes) and my FX 6300 (6,144K and 8,192). The Phenom II outperforms the FX 6300 in the 2 tests I have run-Super Pi and Passmark CPU test. The best Passmark CPU score I could get with the FX 6300 was 3,875 compared to Passmark average of 6,541. Must be something about my specific setup. The Phenom II got a score of 4,383 compared to the avg of 4,889.

I'm not going to worry too much about scores, both processors work fine with my PT setup. I may put the Phenom II back in the PT machine as it seems to run somewhat cooler than the FX. Up until about 18 months ago I was still using the Intel Pentium D (dual core) that Sweetwater put in the original build. Then the motherboard failed, so someone gave me a used mobo that i put a new Intel Core 2 Duo E 4400 @2.00ghz. That was a big upgrade. Went with the AMD and Gigabyte board this past summer, and am not looking back.

I guess the takeaway from your comments is that if you want and need the most horsepower, then at the present, Intel is the way to go. For the rest of us, a current day budget AMD build still far exceeds the performance of the top end Intels from a few years ago.
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But is there any empirical evidence that shows a hackintosh is more powerful than a Windows i7 6 core/X79/Quad-channel RAM setup? If you prefer OSX, then it certainly makes sense, but I don't think there's a performance advantage to a hackintosh, vs. a well-built PC I was an AMD fan for many years(and have built 5-6 AMD systems), but the i7 9xx was a milestone in performance, and those using the newest 6 core make me jealous, for sure...............
Sorry never meant to imply osx is in any way superior to windows in the performance category. That choice is purely a personal preference IMO. We are just in the Mac side of the forums. And in that world a hackintosh is a better deal IMO than anything apple sells, with the i7 quad mini being the almost exception.

But windows or osx that doesn't make a lot of difference as far as performance IMO.
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Sorry never meant to imply osx is in any way superior to windows in the performance category. That choice is purely a personal preference IMO. We are just in the Mac side of the forums. And in that world a hackintosh is a better deal IMO than anything apple sells, with the i7 quad mini being the almost exception.

But windows or osx that doesn't make a lot of difference as far as performance IMO.
Methinks he speaketh the truth! And I do heartily agree that a hack is a heck of a lot better deal than a Mac(sure wish my attempt had worked)
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Don't say Hackintosh and better in the same post - Kasper might show up and give us all a stern talking too
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