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Re: Horrible VI performance when recording in 2019.10!
we have gone beyond VI's now.. I said already, *multiple* times, that even If i was to get used to that sort of playing latency, when the time came for the sessions vocalist to come in I'd have to drop the buffer and the performance issue would be back..Someone quickly confirmed they had to bounce their song to a stereo track so they could arm tracks at low buffer for vocals, etc.
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Re: Horrible VI performance when recording in 2019.10!
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You'd be surprised what the real RTL of those at 256 would be..incl the duet and avid stuff. I am pretty sure apogee USB is around 10ms at 128 buffer, that's what my duet was.. so... double that for 256.. and that was in Logic.. PT adds an input safety buffer (which is so ironic considering it doesn't help it with performance).. I think it's around half a millisecond from memory vs other DAWs. Just curious, seriously.. are you trying to get me to escalate/react to ban me? Just be honest.. You are giving nonsensical answers that are all over the place and constantly telling the other person they don't understand.. when they understand *precisely* what you are saying. It's just that you are simply incorrect in almost everything you are harping on about. Good for you, you had success. I don't believe any vocalist would be happy with 256 buffer in ANY usb interface, even RME. So there. RME have the fastest usb drivers and at 256 even they are too slow.. one would use totalmix to circumvent this. Why are you so stubborn about it? You have your forum mod colleagues telling you that they need to go to 64 for vocalists.. and they might not even mean with USB but with a good, fast, thunderbolt interface! You are the only one since I have been at the forums that always argues black and blue that 512 is the breaking point and 256 is ok for all tasks and with usb interfaces to boot. it's getting tiresome. You will never, ever get me to change my mind.. and I am trying to move on from the discussion multiple times, addressing the performance vs other DAWs, etc.. and you just harp back to this one point like a broken record.. What do you hope to achieve? I will *never* agree with what you are saying.
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Re: Horrible VI performance when recording in 2019.10!
yet you were probably very close to it if you were at 48K with an apogge or avid USB interface.
Avid mbox 3 is I think 11 roundtrip at 128 from memory (at 44k). I have one right here. Yep, at 128.
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Re: Horrible VI performance when recording in 2019.10!
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Exactly. I don’t know how many times I’ve said this, but it’s the same response from the same people. Put a pair of headphones on, plug mic in, set buffer to 64 samples, record arm track, talk into microphone, listen to the comb filtering. It is precisely the layering of the monitored signal and the voice resonance in your skull. If you can’t hear that, you should be in a different line of work. Is this an issue when recording guitar, keys etc.? Of course not. But if you’re trying to record dialogue it’s very off putting. You just sound like you have a mild ring modulator on your voice. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Read the post directly above what you wrote. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Re: Horrible VI performance when recording in 2019.10!
I have never been using USB audio interface. Poorest cheap thing was FW 002R and the rest being HD/TB
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Re: Horrible VI performance when recording in 2019.10!
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One thing I don't get with this perspective on the headphone comb filter issue is the distance of the voice to the mic. Sound moves at a rather sluggish 1.1ms per foot. So unless the vocalist is eating the mic, you've already got ~1ms of delay right there. 1ms of delay causes comb filter from 500hz and up. 2ms 250hz and up. 4ms 125hz and up. I am curious about all analog headphone solutions people are using though (other than LFAC). |
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Re: Horrible VI performance when recording in 2019.10!
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IMO 10ms from the push of a key to the ears is fine, but if you add up other links in the chain, it's not too difficult to approach the haas window. |
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Re: Horrible VI performance when recording in 2019.10!
Sorry to hear that. On Windows 10, I'm having excellent VI performance with 2019.10 - best ever. The only exception is when I activate Ozone 5 (which is pretty old, and that might be the problem) with a few instances of Arturia V Collection synths. No biggie. Freeze a couple tracks, and I'm rocking again. On orchestral tracks, I can run all the instances of Play and Spitfire stuff I could ever want, never a hitch.
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