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Old 07-09-2004, 07:09 AM
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Default Opinions Needed - Recording at 48k vs 96k

Hi all,

I am a recent convertee from a 828MKII to Digi002r. I used Protools up to V5 on OS9 and ditched when OSX came out, but now I find myself unable to live with out Protools.

I was a little dismayed to find that I could only record at 96k via SPDIF OR Lightpipe SPDIF, thereby sacrificing 8 channels of input if I want to go 24/96k.

Here is my question - I want to get Apogee for front end on the SPDIF for a nice clean in, and leave the analog ins for synths and effects in, but it would be nice to have 8 more adat ins to I could use the buss outs of my O3D. Is there a strong case for recording 24/96k? Clean and clear, no horse [bleep] difference that I cannot mistake? I will give up the 8 channels if there is, but I would love to hear it from someone with a good case.

I never heard much difference from 44.1 to 48k, but I heard a big difference from 16bit to 24bit.

Thanks in advance for the input.

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Old 07-09-2004, 08:49 AM
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Default Re: Opinions Needed - Recording at 48k vs 96k

IMHO alot depends on what style of music youa re working with. If you're doing classical, traditional jazz, solo/duo acoustic, then 96k makes a definite difference, but I'd recommend going 88.2 for downsampling purposes.. If it's rock/pop style, then 44.1 is the way to go.

FWIW, we do everything here at 24 bit 44.1k.
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Old 07-09-2004, 09:30 AM
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Default Re: Opinions Needed - Recording at 48k vs 96k

Always 24/44.1 here. Since everything I record is going to CD I don't see the advantage of higher sampling rates.
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Old 07-09-2004, 09:44 AM
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Default Re: Opinions Needed - Recording at 48k vs 96k

with the converter quality level of the 002r, 96k is more of a marketing ploy than a true benefit. I read a detailed post on recording.org where it was stated that unless the clock source is extremely high quality (which it's not), it provides a bottle-neck that prevents "real" usage of the converter chips or sample rates. I use RME converters through ADAT into the 002r, and I noticed a jump in converter quality over the 002r for sure. I would invest in something that will provide 8 channels of clean 44.1 or 48k conversion.
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Old 07-09-2004, 10:13 AM
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Default Re: Opinions Needed - Recording at 48k vs 96k

thanks everyone - great input. much as i had suspected. so i am thinking of going Octapre on the ADAT or Apogee on the SPDIF.

Cheers,

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Old 07-09-2004, 10:50 AM
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Default Re: Opinions Needed - Recording at 48k vs 96k

Hi Subreact,

The Determining factor in whether higher sample rates will give you better conversion is entirely dependent on the design quality of the converter itself. In simple terms, lesser quality converters sound better at higher sample rates because it is easier to filter at higher sample rates. But if the converter has a properly designed filter, there will be no difference in sound quality between 44.1K and 48K or even 192K.

For your purposes, there are big advantages to recording at 44.1K. The lower the sample rate on a native DAW, the more DSP for plug-ins, higher channel counts, less hard drive space, etc.
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Old 07-09-2004, 11:15 AM
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From doing records in LA, it seems all the studios I recorded in record at 24/48k. Personally, I could not hear a difference between the two, but I wonder why that seems standard?

BTW - are the input knobs on the Apogee MiniMe stepped? I really want to make sure I can get a good stereo image going in, and have found on some gear, it is hard to get the image perfect unless they stepped knobs. Or is there a latch mode for recording stereo?

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Old 07-09-2004, 01:20 PM
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I would also like to hear anyone's experience using a Yamaha O3D via lightpipe with an 002R or 002. Are the converters worth a damn or should I really think about the Octapre?

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Old 07-09-2004, 05:28 PM
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I would also like to hear anyone's experience using a Yamaha O3D via lightpipe with an 002R or 002. Are the converters worth a damn or should I really think about the Octapre?

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If you're ready to pony up the $$$ for the apogee, i would say get the focusrite ISA428 with the A/d card. The conversion is supposed to be really great- apogee quality- and even better you get four amazing pres aas well as four additional line level inputs, all for around 2 grand. That's a deal if you ask me. I want one.
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Old 07-09-2004, 05:54 PM
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Default Re: Opinions Needed - Recording at 48k vs 96k

i got the mini me along with my 002R and i like the conversion much better. the input level knobs ARE NOT stepped but for me it doesn't matter. i'm coming in from such hot mics (U87) that i keep the input level at the minimum
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