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Old 11-07-2014, 11:12 PM
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Default Installing PT on New MacBook Pro

I'm gonna be getting a new MacBook Pro, they come with the new Yosemite OS X 10.10. I currently run an old MacBook Pro w/ Snow Leopard OS X 10.6 w/ PT 8 LE, a MBox 2 and a Firewire hard drive for recording storage.

Also, no PT versions are officially compatible w/ Yosemite at the moment.. I assume especially not to install onto. Is there a date when this will happen? Will my only option be to wait for the Yosemite compatibility and then buy the PT LE to PT 11 cross-grade? Is there a chance I will be able to continue to use PT 8 LE and my MBox 2?

The new MacBook Pro doesn't have a Firewire port, just an adapter you can buy for the new Thunderbolt ports to work w/ Firewire. I read somewhere that these adapters aren't that efficient. Will it be efficient enough to keep my Firewire HD?

Sorry if I posted this in the wrong section, but it covers too many topics to pigeon hole it somewhere.

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Old 11-07-2014, 11:28 PM
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I'm gonna be getting a new MacBook Pro, they come with the new Yosemite OS X 10.10. I currently run an old MacBook Pro w/ Snow Leopard OS X 10.6 w/ PT 8 LE, a MBox 2 and a Firewire hard drive for recording storage.

Also, no PT versions are officially compatible w/ Yosemite at the moment.. I assume especially not to install onto. Is there a date when this will happen? Will my only option be to wait for the Yosemite compatibility and then buy the PT LE to PT 11 cross-grade? Is there a chance I will be able to continue to use PT 8 LE and my MBox 2?

The new MacBook Pro doesn't have a Firewire port, just an adapter you can buy for the new Thunderbolt ports to work w/ Firewire. I read somewhere that these adapters aren't that efficient. Will it be efficient enough to keep my Firewire HD?

Sorry if I posted this in the wrong section, but it covers too many topics to pigeon hole it somewhere.

Thanks for the help,
-Adam
Hi,

LE 8 isn't ever going to be compatible on Yosemite so yes the upgrade to 11 is your option on any new laptop.

You can get the latest drivers for your Mbox here...

http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/e...nload/en379411


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Old 11-07-2014, 11:32 PM
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Old 11-08-2014, 05:06 AM
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Is there a chance I will be able to continue to use PT 8 LE and my MBox 2?
As Craig mentioned before this is not possible, just because Snow Leopard was the latest Mac OS
PT LE8 did work with. LE8 has not been supported with any Mac OS later than Snow Leopard.

The MBox 2 however has worked with later versions of Mac OSs and Pro Tools but since Mac OS Mavericks
and Pro Tools 11 there have been reported many issues although Avid still have provided a suitable driver for Mavericks.
You can search the DUC and the web in general and you will find many reports from users who haven´t been able to use
their MBox 2 successfully with Mavericks/PT 11 anymore. It´s just become legacy for the most recent systems.
My guess is that it will not get any better with Yosemite anymore .

Anyway.
So, if you really intend to upgrade to Pro Tools 11 and Yosemite I would recommend to seriously consider getting a new
audio interface too. There are several, quite affordable options out there which will be usable for a couple of years again.

To use your FW drive with a Thunderbolt to FW adapter definitely should be no problem (many users do that successfully, including myself).
As the new MacBooks Pro come with 2 Thunderbolt ports you now would have the choice as to a new audio interface which connection type
you would prefer to use.
Thunderbolt would provide you lower latency and a fast, professional connection whereas USB would be more affordable for sure.

These are some options for example, comparable with the MBox 2, from low to higher in prices.

M-Audio M-Track Plus 2 (brand new, nice preamps, 0 latency monitoring and very affordable
but no SPDIF and no built in MIDI-would have to get a separate USB Midi interface) $149.-
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MTrackPlusII
USB Midi interface
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MIDISport1x1

Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 (no SPDIF, no Midi again) $149.-
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Scarlett2i2

Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 (no SPDIF, but built in MIDI and more inputs) $199.-
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Scarlett2i4

Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 (this is the most comparable interface to the MBox 2 in this price range
as it´s got SPDIF In/Out, MIDI, 4 Outputs, 2 Headphone Outs etc.) $249.-
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Scarlett6i6

Roland Quad Capture (SPDIF, MIDI, 0 latency Monitoring, similar to MBox 2) $269.-
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/QuadCapture

Motu Audio Express (higher quality, SPDIF, MIDI, many I/O options, similar to MBox 2) $395.-
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/AudioExpress

These are just a small selection of very affordable yet good quality interfaces similar to your MBox 2 but you may find others yourself.
http://www.sweetwater.com/shop/compu...io_interfaces/

Which is a pretty cool little yet professional unit with Thunderbolt connection is the Universal Audio Apollo Twin but it is more expensive indeed.
If you could afford it you would get a professional audio quality and some of the best sounding DSP plugins included additionally.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ApolloTwinD

Anyway.
To come back to the OP it is right that Yosemite is still not officially supported by Pro Tools but actually many of us have installed PT11
successfully on Yosemite systems. Me also a few days ago even on my i5 2012 MacBook Pro without any problems.
Actually I have to admit it does work better on this particular (officially not supported) i5 MBP with Yosemite than it did with Mavericks before.
Fact is that you can install Pro Tools 11 on Yosemite and it does run properly.
Just use the latest version of PT11 and a fully updated Mac OS Yosemite. There´s no obvious problem on my systems here at least
(on 2 different Macs with Yosemite).
On the other hand, you know, there´s no guarantee it will work on your system too.

I personally would recommend to first back up your current system (with Carbon Copy Cloner e.g.-it´s free for 30 days)
https://bombich.com
on an external drive (any drive no particular rotation speed required) and then simply try your luck and install Pro Tools 11.2.1 (the latest version so far).
The good thing is if you have a system back up you always can come back to it, so this is low risk in a way.
Do not forget to do all the required optimization stuff (for Mavericks) before and
don´t install any 3rd party plugins or VIs right before it will have been confirmed that the pure Pro Tools runs properly on your system.
http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/t.../Optimize-10-9

Wishing you good luck and lots of fun with your new MBP, these guys are cool stuff indeed.
And if you really want to upgrade to PT11, get it before December 20th if you want to benefit from the cool $199.- offer!

The best of success to you,


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Old 11-08-2014, 08:05 AM
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Default Re: Installing PT on New MacBook Pro

I created a new thread that's somewhat related.. about buying new computer and advise on what's out there. Thanks again.

http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?p=2201258#post2201258
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Old 11-08-2014, 04:19 PM
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The people at guitar center told me that since I have PT 8 LE, I can't take advantage of the $199 cross-grade to PT 11 (cuz 8LE is so old). They said at the very best, if the cross-grade even went thru, it would be for PT 11 Express or some lowly version. Is this true? Thanks.
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Old 11-08-2014, 04:22 PM
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Dunno regarding the crossgrade But there is no such thing as a PT11 LE

The versions are HD11 and non HD11 so if there is a xgrade then you will get both PT11 and PT10 non HD.

We can check this for you and post back here.

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The people at guitar center told me that since I have PT 8 LE, I can't take advantage of the $199 cross-grade to PT 11 (cuz 8LE is so old). They said at the very best, if the cross-grade even went thru, it would be for PT 11 Express or some lowly version. Is this true? Thanks.
Since every bit of that is wrong, I'm going to go with "not true".

See the Pro Tools Upgrade FAQ, including the last section about Crossgrades.

You have an Mbox 2, and as long as you are the original owner and have never used it to upgrade to Pro Tools 9 or higher, you are eligible for the LE crossgrade. Even if you bought it used, if the original owner never used the Mbox 2 for an upgrade, you are still eligible for the crossgrade. You just need an eligible LE audio interface and an iLok 2 (sold separately).
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Old 11-08-2014, 07:17 PM
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Since every bit of that is wrong, I'm going to go with "not true".

See the Pro Tools Upgrade FAQ, including the last section about Crossgrades.

You have an Mbox 2, and as long as you are the original owner and have never used it to upgrade to Pro Tools 9 or higher, you are eligible for the LE crossgrade. Even if you bought it used, if the original owner never used the Mbox 2 for an upgrade, you are still eligible for the crossgrade. You just need an eligible LE audio interface and an iLok 2 (sold separately).
The MBox 2 is the "eligible LE audio interface," right? I already have an iLok w/ some plug-ins and a PT 7.x license. Will those be good enough for the cross grade? I bought PT 8 LE on eBay and it came w/ a license #. Thanks for the link, I'll check it out when I have a free moment.
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Old 11-09-2014, 02:00 AM
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The people at guitar center told me that since I have PT 8 LE, I can't take advantage of the $199 cross-grade to PT 11 (cuz 8LE is so old). They said at the very best, if the cross-grade even went thru, it would be for PT 11 Express or some lowly version. Is this true? Thanks.
It´s bullsh... "cuz 8LE is so old".
LE8 is not too old, it´s officially validated for the upgrade to Pro Tools 11.
All you ever would need for the upgrade would be the serial number of the MBox 2.
Nothing else matters...

All LE upgrades are hardware bound only. You don´t need your LE software, not the serial number
of your LE8 software or anything else from your iLok, only the serial number of the hardware=MBox 2!

There must be a serial number on your MBox 2 and that´s what you would need for the upgrade.

The only problem which could occur would be if the prior owner of the MBox 2 already has used the serial number
of this particular MBox for his own upgrades before
because it just can´t be used for a 2nd time.
Only then you will have to buy anything including Pro Tools Express because then you could not use your MBox 2
for the upgrade anymore (because it had been used once already for that).

If on the other hand the serial number of your MBox 2 has not been used before for any upgrades, it´s all easy
and you just can use it for your own upgrade now.

Btw you will need the new iLok 2 for PT11, the old green one will not work for it anymore, however you can keep
your existing iLok account and your existing iLok ID. Just use it with the new iLok 2 again.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/iLok2
You also could get the PT upgrade from Sweetwater as they are super nice, helpful and have a great, competent support
without having to pay for it. They are cool.
http://www.sweetwater.com/feature/protools11/

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