Apollo 16 and HD Native

[DUCHUNTER]

Originally Posted by Barry Johns

Can you clarify what you mean by "Impossible latency".

Thanks,

Barry

Lowest RTL even at smallest buffer is in the ballpark of 8ms.

[Barry Johns]

I don't consider 8ms as impossible latecy. That's very manageable.

[Barry Johns]

I don't consider 8ms as impossible latecy. That's very manageable.aS

[guitardom]

Also your insert compensation works properly on HDN/HDX. Mixing wise, this has made my life so much better when mixing as I use quite a bit of outboard. Tracking latency is better on HDN/HDX but I rarely ever had an issue tracking at 64hw buffer on Fw interfaces.

[DUCHUNTER]

Originally Posted by Barry Johns

I don't consider 8ms as impossible latecy. That's very manageable.

I suppose I'm sensitive to latency, but that 8ms is without plugins and the safety buffer off. There's "phasing" at 8ms anyway on vocals and such, and it just feels "off".

That's at a buffer of 32. 64 is a more stable buffer and with safety buffers it's about 11ms.

[Barry Johns]

Originally Posted by DUCHUNTER

I suppose I'm sensitive to latency, but that 8ms is without plugins and the safety buffer off. There's "phasing" at 8ms anyway on vocals and such, and it just feels "off".

That's at a buffer of 32. 64 is a more stable buffer and with safety buffers it's about 11ms.

I saw a video on PT Expert where they tracked with no noticeable latency through the UA Console Interface, or whatever they call it. Are you taking that into consideration?

[DUCHUNTER]

Yes. I bought an Apollo at launch and am very familiar with it.

[propower]

Put me in the camp where 8ms is too much.

At PT10 I went with MH ULN8 and only track with the low latency path in the ULN8. Better than my old HD rig for timing. Can track through plug ins (like Apollo) but only the plugins in the Metric Halo box (not on PT tracks -- again just like apollo - though UAD has a much bigger suite of plugs to choose from!).

Punches are a bit painful unless mutetone is working that day.

It seems the only real path going forward with PT11 is with at least an HDN system -- 2ms is cool, 8ms -- not so much for me! But an 8 channel in and out PT11 system is not cheap.

[Barry Johns]

Originally Posted by DUCHUNTER

Yes. I bought an Apollo at launch and am very familiar with it.

I hear you, and I'm sure you are right. But I have to be honest, I'm sitting here scratching my head, because this conflicts with everything I have read on that massive Apollo thread over at GS and what I saw on the PT Expert Video.

Everything I have read to date, which is a lot because I'm considering going this route because HDX is just not in my plans and I am a junky or newer technology (PT11), is that there is no latency, or close to zero when tracking through the UA console into PT.

I have read that there are folks who have hated having to use two different Mixer UI's, UA's and Protools, as an example, but yours if the first post I have read that speaks to latency issues when tracking through Plugin's when tracking through the UA Console.

I just don't get it.

[Barry Johns]

Originally Posted by DUCHUNTER

Yes. I bought an Apollo at launch and am very familiar with it.

Please know I am not challenging you. I am honestly just trying to get all this right. I mentioned what your experiences were over at that massive thread at GS and they all told me that they have no latency at all.

Could you please take a look at their comments and let me know what your thoughts are? It's likely that I am getting this mixed up. Here is a link:

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-mu...eview-182.html

Thanks,

Barry