i7 vs Xeon & Cores vs GHZ

[john1192]

thank you ... good to know ... i am reading about optimizing win 7

[YYR123]

Originally Posted by mykhal c

and Haswell is dual!

You know it almost seems like they think they gave us too much of a processor in the 3930K 6 core

I know the Haswell's are less power consuming therefore will be used for a lot of mobile type of applications but typically the further a processor advances the more horsepower it has

[mykhal c]

Originally Posted by YYR123

You know it almost seems like they think they gave us too much of a processor in the 3930K 6 core

I know the Haswell's are less power consuming therefore will be used for a lot of mobile type of applications but typically the further a processor advances the more horsepower it has

less power consumption and better integrated graphics...probably better thru-put with PCIe too...tho i'm just guessin' on PCIe...but it's a professional guess

[guitardom]

Originally Posted by john1192

holy crap batman !!! that would be as expensive as a Mac ...

just a little info below - NOt trying to "High" Jack your thread ...

i priced out the - 3930K 3.2 6-core / GA-X79-UP4 MB LGA2011 / 16GB 2133 kinston hyperX Ram / MSI N660 graphics card / Corsair AX1200i PS (haswell ready) / Asus Optical Drive / R4 fractal case / Noctua Big Fan Kit / 2 extra 140mm case fans silent / 500GB Samsung SSD / Windows 7 Pro 64bit ... 2005.00 before Tax and any shipping

I price this out for a Mac (as close as I could get) - 3.3ghz 6-core Xeon / Apple MB / 12GB Apple Ram (16 was not close to same price) / ATi HD5770 graphics card / Apple PS - in my experience underpowered / MAcPro case and fans - they give you these ... 1 TB HDD / Mac OSX ML is cheap to free ... 3224.00 before tax & shipping

so about a 12oo.oo difference but Not much upgradeability with the Mac ... but it's pretty ... and SSD on PC / HDD on mac - could be changed out for more money / 12gb ram was 225.00 closest i could get to 3rd party ram / bigger power supply on the PC build / the Macpro case is quiet but not awesome ... the R4 has some internal padding to help with sound transmission ...

so at this point how upgradeable is the 2011 MB ?? could you drop in a HAswell when available or is that ONLY the 1150 socket for the Haswell Line ?

so would it be Bold to go Z87 / Haswell now - I see by that Chart the 3.5ghz 4770K is just behind the 3930K 3.2 ... and before anyone freaks out about that chart .. i am just speculating

ok .. now back to the thread ...

Built my 3930k last thanksgiving. With all the rebate and Black Friday sales that weekend, I built mine for right at 1k. Just food for thought!

[guitardom]

Originally Posted by john1192

this is from a thread about "Running a Computer Win7 Not connected to the internet at all"

This is one problem with most "modern" Windows version. Windows 7 wants and Microsoft needs it to have access to the Internet as part of the "Genuine Advantage" product "verification" system. If Win-7 is not "Genuine" check periodically, Microsoft "automatically" "cripples" Win-7.


i found this ... if this is true ... how often do you need to connect ??

My daw don't get near the Internet!

[Zarabozo]

Originally Posted by scott llamas

thanks. my question is assuming same benchmark speed.

re: i7 vs. Xeon. does one type of processor work better for pro tools? i've heard that some are better for multi threading etc.

re: cores vs Ghz. i've heard some say too many cores is inneficient but i've also heard that VI's use a whole core to themselves so does that mean less cores means i'll run out of VI's?

For almost every i7 there's a Xeon with the same specifications (same speed, same number of cores and threads, basically same architecture). The big difference and what makes Xeon more expensive is the extras that a Xeon processor have to be able to communicate with another Xeon of the same model, making it's power double when working that way.

So, if you're planning on buying a server motherboard with dual socket, then your only option is Xeon. Even if you buy 1 only right now and the second Xeon later (that's what I did).

But if you are planning on having a single socket motherboard, then there's absolutely no point on buying a Xeon - just buy the i7 equivalent and save almost half of the price.

As for the number of cores and speed: both are very important.

The first thing you want is a high count of cores with threads. However, even if you have a very high count of cores, you might see situations where a process can be sent to only one core (which is the case of ProTools when working with several plugins) and just cannot keep up because each core has not enough speed.

For example, I have 12 cores (24 threads) but my speed is 2.6 Ghz (dual Xeon). For most things, I have more than enough horse power. But, I can create an empty PT session and insert a ver heavy plugin (like Ozone Izotope 5 limiter with their most cpu-intensive algorithm) and I can start seeing problems. If I check the CPU usage, it's low - but seems like it really needs more speed from each core - it has low CPU usage but is constantly peaking the CPU requests.

So, the answer is really as it always is: the more you can spend, the more you can get. Can you buy a server MB with dual socket and buy two of the fastest Xeon processors with 6, 10 or 12 mutithreading cores each one? Can you also afford the very expensive ECC RAM for that kind of board? Then you'll have an amazing workstation.

If you can't then start by evaluating if you're going to go for the dual socket route or not and that will give you an answer on the i7 vs Xeon question. After that, just look for the best you can afford on whatever you decided. Both speed and core count are very important, they play together for everything.

Francisco

[Meads]

This has been a valuable lesson, thank you very much for that.

[xexina]

https://www.scan.co.uk/3xs/info/audio-pc-processor