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Old 02-13-2017, 10:12 PM
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So does your 5 to 6ms HDN latency sound better than 0.6ms HDX when you sing? Not do you have complaints - but does it sound any different? Does one sound any better to you?
While this is a matter of opinion, mine not so humbly one is that latency doesn't matter as long as it is lower than the personal threshold where latency becomes delay. Usually it is somewhere near 10ms, and a known fact is that earliest digital pianos had 12ms latency (somehow artists managed to play those without complaining about latency).

My personal experience is that 256 buffer (@48k) is just fine but 512 buffer is unbearable.
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People have varying degrees of tolerance for latency. I went from TDM to HDN. I skipped HDX because I use a lot of Native plugins. In HDX land, Native plugins turn it into HDN anyways. And at least I didn't have to deal with voice count issues. I usually track 44k 24bit. Can't do 96k bc of size limitations (my main record drive is always tilting at 3TB as is). When I track my own playing I don't seem to mind when set at 64 buffer.

On a 2010 Mac Pro Tower with 40G of RAM, I mix gigantic haven't had an issue. I've sent the sessions to relatives with HDX and latency is actually higher bc of the way HDX works. At least that's my understanding.
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Given my own time on an HDX rig, as compared to my own HDN rig, many plugins actually report less or zero latency on HDN, but lots of latency on HDX. No idea why, but I did notice it
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HDX and latency is actually higher bc of the way HDX works. At least that's my understanding.
Don't know about HDX for sure, but at least TDM mixer is "zero latency" only without plugins, and as you keep adding plugs the latency grows as you go. It is not uncommon to see 350(ish) samples of TDM processing latency, and that alone is ~8ms (@44k)
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TDM and HDX work exactly the same in this regard. They are both minimal latency with no plugins or submixers etc... Each routing has a small but measurable impact though.

There are high latency and low latency plugins in both Native and AAX-DSP. In AAX-DSP every plug in adds some ampount of latency (10 samples each for the low ones - 30-80 for many 3rd party and then anything lookahead will add a lot more. I would track through the low ones in either case.
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There's no need to track through plugins with 350 samples latency. An eq and compressor will run you 8 samples or so of latency. You can throw on the tape sim or whatever else is giving you big latency readings afterward. So yes I would say it would be uncommon for anyone to want to track through plugins with 350 samples of latency. I have yet to meet a native system that I can't notice the latency through, although I do find the lowest buffer settings to be tolerable. The thing is, I don't want to sell an experience that's only tolerable.

To an earlier poster- the reason native plugins don't report latency the same as DSP plugins is because they happen inside the buffer setting. That's why as you increase the processing load with more plugins, you need to increase the buffer. With DSP plugins, you bypass the buffer completely. So the latency of your native plugins is equal to your buffer setting, ie much greater than most DSP plugins, which are measured in samples of latency, not milliseconds. At 96k, one sample is 1/96,000 of a second, or slightly longer than 1/100 of a millisecond.
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There's no need to track through plugins with 350 samples latency.
That is your opinion, but others' may vary
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I have yet to meet a native system that I can't notice the latency through.
The whole 350(ish) sample latency was about DSP systems
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With DSP plugins, you bypass the buffer completely.
Yes, which is why processing latency of individual plugins keep adding up, commonly leading -- when you track through plugins -- to 350(ish) samples a.k.a. 8ms latency. If you haven't experienced that, you just haven't.
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I never track vocals or acoustic instruments with more than 50 samples of AAX-DSP plugin latency. Typical is 20-30. This 350 number is certainly possible but not a smart way to work a DSP system (IMO) - unless the user doesn't care about latency. AAX-DSP is a capable but much smaller toolbox than Native. If the plugin choices are more important than latency (assuming voice or I/O is not the issue) then Native would be the better choice.
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