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Re: Is it just me?
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Most people don't need thunderbolt at all! That is the can of worms. Thickness or what users want most like runs a very distant second to the obvious market opportunity that thunderbolt forwards. One of reduced parts counts, maintained price tags and a whole new sub-industry of pay-per-peripheral-connections.
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It's plain and obvious common sense that ONE connector which everything can operate over is superior to having a bunch of legacy connectors that are becoming obsolete. When you look at it that way, thunderbolt is the future. New devices are coming out which are TB only, and the legacy stuff is still supported with an adapter. It's the best of both worlds. And you are aware that TB is as fast as PCI express, right. |
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"Superior" is a black hole as well. Superior at providing huge bandwidth to applications that require very little? That sounds like overkill to me. Even more so considering an 0.5m thunderbolt cable will set you back a pretty penny! The best of both worlds is what Gigabyte or Asus are doing by providing standardised connections as well as thunderbolt, simply because thunderbolt isn't prevalent enough yet. There is nothing "best" about having to spend $250+ on a thunderbolt hub just to access a combination of peripheral connections that most computer, hardware and peripheral manufacturers still actively support and create. In that sense, I think you are using the term "legacy" very prematurely. Only in Mac land is Thunderbolt being pushed so hard... and even then, it remains a relatively niche protocol. But anyway. Enough sidetracking. I wonder if Avid have any plans of changing their EuCon controllers to TB.
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Technological miniaturization = progress. Quote:
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Let's put it this way, when we can buy External TB HDD enclosure for under 80$ without having to buy an adapter to buy one that has an other connector and costs 4 to 5 times less, then we can say the other products are on the way to being legacy. In this instance, miniaturization to fit the need of the Ismallthingpeople ala Iphone, is not always best. Also remember, not every one needs to be driving 4 displays on top of many HDD so yes it is overkill for 80% of the market, and that is why it is so slow to being adopted in the general market. Other companies have understood this and are making good on profiting from the supposed "Legacy" Market because the vast majority of users are not fully adopting this new tech unless forced to by one corporation who removes almost every other connectors from it's mainstream products. You got to wonder though if they were so heavily invested and foreseeing of the future, why did they still leave 2 HDMI, 4 usb 3, and 2 Ethernet ports on the Itrash? Quite possibly because they understood their faux pas, after 3 years of it being on the market and not gaining much traction, in removing the widely adopted ports by the mass and moved too fast with THB.
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I'd rather have a computer like that which the software has to "grow into" than get a machine you have to keep replacing every few years, no? Having the option to run 3 4K displays now is also pretty sweet. They left the ports on because they know very well that stuff isn't legacy anymore. When I say "legacy" I'm talking about the far-future, when palm-sized computers like the current iPhones are 10 times as powerful and small connectors like thunderbolt will definitely be needed. Of course it's still too expensive because it's very bleeding edge. |
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We'll have to disagree on the part where replacing every few years part because even though the concept is new, fact is in roughly 2 years if not before it will be already too costly compared to more powerful computer with different design. But I'm happy that we agree on the pricing and the fact that the other connectors are far from being "legacy" items.
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The current implementation of Thunderbolt isn't bleeding edge. It is a dumbed down appropriation done in a quintessentially Apple way to create small desktop computing ecosystems. The original introduction by Intel in 2009 called it "Light Peak". It didn't use active copper cabling. As the name suggests it used fibre optic and various protocols cleverly multiplexed for bandwidths up to 100GBps. 10x what Thunderbolt 1.0 offers, with a much larger scope than just your average desktop peripherals. I suspect the reason a lot of manufacturers aren't so quick to jump on Apple's Thunderbolt Ecosystem philosophy is because of how quickly it and parallel technologies are progressing. Intel's Alpine Ridge Thunderbolt controller will increase bandwidth to 40GBps and USB 3.1 will increase to 10GBps, both with 100w of available bus power. The bleeding edge currently is Intel's MXC. A 64 strand fibre optic cable with 1.6TBps of bandwidth, potentially as a step to further realise the intended design of Light Peak. For this reason, it wouldn't surprise me if the industry saw it as a wise move to avoid getting bogged down in an active copper standard like the current thunderbolt.
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I think that is precisely why thunderbolts adoption has been slow. Light Peak will appear in one form or another, its in the development roadmap... but first as a server side technology where even 100g/s is a limiting factor... Intel is thinking big. Like data centers full of servers that run Cat5 or Cat6 to a fibre optic equipped network switch. The future of data transmission isn't a bunch of cute little devices on your desktop. It is faster data centers and more cloud computing. Thunderbolt exists in a kind of no-mans land where it is technically too prohibative for server-side use, yet too cost prohibitive to fully replace cheap protocols with ever increasing bandwidths like USB 3.1.
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