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Re: APFS or Extended Journaled for session drive?
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To make my point, it can take 1sec on BIOS and 1min on system disk, or 30sec on BIOS and 1sec on system disk. Which system drive is faster as per boot time?
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Re: APFS or Extended Journaled for session drive?
I'm just saying what I had happen here. When I got this Mac Pro it had a 7200 rpm spinner for system drive. Swapped that out for an ssd in a drive bay. Boot times went down considerably. Same efi setup. A lot of it is in how fast a drive can spit out data. Then I put that ssd on a pcie card and boot times went down again. The only limit is in how fast the computer buss can run.
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Data reads writes are a different story but we are not talking about that. I must confess that I no longer use AHCI SSDs which perform better in a classic Mac Pro but there are no decent sizes available at decent prices, thus NVMe it is. So, to go back to what I actually complained about is that all my Macs (also the iMacs) boot much slower when the startup drive is APFS formatted, and I do not mean just a few seconds longer but it sometimes takes minutes, up to 5!! Maybe APFS is developed for and designed for the all new and current Macs in mind. I will not own any of those until Apple comes up with reasonable pricing again. |
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That doesn't sound right. Can anyone with classsic cheesegrater and APFS chime in please?
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An ssd in a drive bay will NOT give you the fastest boot speed possible. It's barely running half the speed than if it were on an adapter card in a pcie slot. I wish Darryll Ramm would chime in here. But it's no use arguing with Oliver - been down that road before and it always ends up badly. |
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Only because we disagreed in the past? You show no respect sir. Other than this I have investigated all this. I always do before I post on certain subjects, you know. It seems to me that everytime I post something you jump on it and attack me. What triggers this? I was actually going to share more info about this very subject as I tried some 10-20 AHCI and NVMe drives, half a dozen of PCIe cards to host them and all combinations of them. But since you are the expert, I leave it up to you to solve my problem. 😉 |
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A simple SSD in any of the drive bays boots up as fast as the fastest PCIe SSD on an AMFELTEC SQUID Gen2 (S KU-086-01) PCIe Carrier Board (x16/F), I am using one of those with 4 M.2 SSDs. Been there, done this. |
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Re: APFS or Extended Journaled for session drive?
There are many threads all over the Web about slow boot issues with APFS, and how to address that, including fixes from Apple in later Mojave versions.
What is going on during all this time? What do logs show? What known fixes have you tried? Slow initialization/POST is a separate issue, presumably you know this is really an APFS issue. |
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my system drive is an SSD and my audio/video drives are encrypted APFS spinner drives. (more unintentionally as I didn't pay attention when re-formatting them freshly and just focused on the encryption). I have found no difference in my rig's behaviour whatsoever. Been running massive film post projects on it. Usually maxed out voice count and ten thousands of clips on board. Frank.
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