How To : The ADR Gospel

[mgoorevich]

Even though I am not a dedicated ADR recorder, I made quite allot of ADR as part of my job.
I adapted all the recommendations described above (long ago it was posted here) but some thing are still mysterious for me.
I always have a problem with ADR in the car or even in big buses.
No matter how close and good the actor performs, good mic placement (even tried with lavaliers), same mic (not just the model but the very one used on location). I even use same mixers as pres. Lets say if I recorded with SD788T on location, I will record in the studio through the same one.
I use Altiverb as my main verb or Revibe or VSS3.
Of course I add foley upper body, sfx such as rattling, engine, traffic wheels if needed.
But I never feel that I am satisfied 100% and to me it always keeps sounding ADR.
In fact I can always hear the ADR in the car when watching others movies in cinema.
Being said I can easily achieve nice results for other locations e.g. rooms, corridors, gyms, halls e.t.c.
What are you guys doing for car ADR to sound right? Or whats wrong with me?