Delay Compensation bug in PT11 with AOS plug-ins (fixed in PT 11.2.1)

[musicman691]

Originally Posted by eddievhfan1984

I'm not sure if this is precisely the same problem as demoed in the YT video, but I've got something similar...

The included screencap is of the routing I use to process a bass guitar. I shouldn't be seeing a track delay like this—it's not a particularly complex routing, and it's all stock AAX Native plugins. It's really annoying when I'm trying to practice or track with a given sound...

PT11.1.3, running on Win8 Pro x64, Mbox 2 Mini.

Too blurry to read numbers or inserts

[eddievhfan1984]

Yeah, sorry. Bloody size limits on pictures in the forum (came under the size limit, but apparently 1080p is still too big... :/ )...

Here's the general layout: I feed Input 1/Track 1 into a TL strobe tuner and the new Avid Channel Strip (love the RMS side-chain option, BTW), and feed that signal into Bus 1 and 2. Bus 1 goes to an aux input running the 7-band EQ, an AIR Distortion, an AIR Vintage Filter, which then feeds back into Bus 2. Bus 2 then feeds the combined signals into 3 aux inputs running the 7-band EQ in parallel, which mix down into another bus for further processing (there's also an echo send, but it's not a big deal here). The aux input running the distortion has a delay of 2048 samples, even though the plugins have no delay by themselves. The session's at 48kHz/32-bit float, so the delay is noticeable when tracking.

That help clear things up?

[nigelpry]

Bill,

IT may not be a big deal in pure business terms, but it does cause reputational damage, and if that is sufficient to negatively influence its client/customer base, in such a way as to materially affect its decisions on future purchases of a company's product, then it may well become a big deal.

But, as always, thanks for your business 101 input ;-)

[Bill Denton]

As I said, to those who know something about business, it's really not a big deal...

[nigelpry]

(sigh)

[ECmaj7]

Thank you Bill for "encouraging" me to know what I'm talking about.
Yes, Avid's delisting on NASDAQ was not caused by poor performance.
And the company's financials seem to be in good shape with lots cash and no debt.
I wonder why people are jumping ship?
Bottom line is when you buy a product you expected it to work as advertised.
Avid is hurting their brand by breaking that promise.

Emilio

[SmooveTaste]

Oh my God, this is really still not fixed? SMH.

[Greg M]

It was my perception that Avid were delisted because they couldn't/wouldn't produce books that complied with GAAP. Thus, they can't pass a real financial audit and can't issue a 10K (SEC version of an annual report).

This is a big deal. A lot of companies do accounting in different ways to keep track and measure various costs, indicators, etc. that meet their specific business management needs. But, they also produce a GAAP based report. Failing to do this is totally unacceptable in the public business world especially if you have public ownership (publicly held stock). You are only guessing at a company's business health without the SEC required reporting. Thus, the delisting.

I like and use Avid products a lot and have faith that the products will survive one way or another. But, if Avid shares were part of my personal portfolio they would be a very, very small part.

Hope this helps,
Greg

[Ghost In The Attic]

Originally Posted by Greg M

It was my perception that Avid were delisted because they couldn't/wouldn't produce books that complied with GAAP. Thus, they can't pass a real financial audit and can't issue a 10K (SEC version of an annual report).

This is a big deal. A lot of companies do accounting in different ways to keep track and measure various costs, indicators, etc. that meet their specific business management needs. But, they also produce a GAAP based report. Failing to do this is totally unacceptable in the public business world especially if you have public ownership (publicly held stock). You are only guessing at a company's business health without the SEC required reporting. Thus, the delisting.

Finally someone who actually understands business.

Absolutely correct. In Avid's case, delisting doesn't mean the company is going broke, just being mismanaged. Which is a Big Deal to investors. Which could lead to a problem for us end users.

[Tim R.]

Delisting is a big deal for investors, got it. NOT a big deal for me, an end user, since I'm fairly confident that even if AVID went away tomorrow, Protools would be bought by someone and would cary on. This thread has gone WAY off the rails here. We've confirmed there is a bug. We've shown alternate work flows. AVID has acknowledged the bug and has said they are working on it. Those who are truly upset about the bug have voiced their anger/disappointment/readiness to move on to other DAWs etc. Thanks to those who've contributed valuable info to the discussion.