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Pro Tools 10HD vs 8HD + Accel cards
So I'm a longtime user of Pro Tools...I've been running 10 on my MacBook Pro and its GREAT, but I recently found a too-good-to-turn down offer for an HD1 Turnkey package and picked it up for tracking purposes, and it's fine for that, but now I prefer mixing on the HD system for a number of reasons that have nothing to do with the software. Obviously and HD1 system can't handle very complex mixes however, so I'm torn.
Should I buy a couple Accel cards (maybe $500 for a pair) or upgrade my 8HD to 10HD and lean on the ram for processing ($1500ish, which I could dent a little by selling my 10 license). Obviously with my hardware is basically be stuck at 10 until I wanted to do a trade in but I'm probably ok with that at least for a while. Thoughts? |
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Re: Pro Tools 10HD vs 8HD + Accel cards
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RAM has very little to do with native processing, which is primarily about CPU cycles. What computer are you running 8 with? A smoking computer running HD10 with a single card can do a lot of mixing if the CPU is up the task of handling the native processing. |
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Re: Pro Tools 10HD vs 8HD + Accel cards
Mac Pro 1.1...not a very powerful computer. I was under the impression that PT10 used the ram for audio cache'ing or whatever, would that not be an improvement over processing power?
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Re: Pro Tools 10HD vs 8HD + Accel cards
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The other issue you'll have have to watch is what OS that computer is capable of running. Research that before doing anything. If the OS is ok for 10 and the computer, it will still be worth doing IMO just for Clip Gain and Disk Cache. But it still won't be much of native a mixing machine, picking up where the card leaves off. If you upgrade the computer to a previous gen 6 core (check eBay for 2010 or better yet 2012 models) then you're talking decent native power. |
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Re: Pro Tools 10HD vs 8HD + Accel cards
I hang out on the other end of the spectrum. If you want to mix on a HD TDM system and only have a 1,1 mac pro I would definitely recommend throwing in two more access cards. I used a HD3 accel system in a variety of computers, including a G5 and could always complete a decent sized mix with it (40 odd channels of audio for example) without every hitting the voice and DSP limits of the system.
HD10 does add a few nice features to Protools, but nothing that is really going to give your system a boost big enough to get around just having a HD1 card. Spending the $500 on DSP, and hosting your sessions as much as possible on the DSP will give you a huge increase in power for the money. The main issue I ran into with HD10 and previous versions was the 32bit application and the limitations it sets for addressing ram. Disk cache or no disk cache, or the fastest computer in the world doesn't fix that.
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Re: Pro Tools 10HD vs 8HD + Accel cards
Just a point regarding the RAM discussion. PT10HD can only use a maximum of 4GB all in all so even if you have 64GB installed it won't make a difference what so ever. A faster CPU is much more usable than RAM that won't be able to be used by PT10.
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To the OP, this right here.... More cards first then Disk cache
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Other than Disk Cache,, there's really no advantage with your computer, by upgrading to ProTools 10,unless you're doing serious sessions. If I had known as it was going to do what they're doing with the subscription nonsense, I would've never wasted my money upgrading to ProTools 10. For users on HD native, ProTools 10 brings a lot of additional resources. But using ProTools 10 with TDM, doesn't bring you that much, IMHO. Cars are getting really cheap these days, I just bought another spare for 200 bucks on eBay. Which is PCIe. EDIT: I did forget to mention clip game, and I you do use it quite a bit. However for an extra thousand dollars to upgrade to ProTools 10, it's not worth that. There is a guy on eBay right now, that has an HD cord card and ProTools nine HD it's all transferable, and I think it only asking like $600 for it. That could be another interesting way to get to ProTools 10. For another $600. If you were to find it that compelling.
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It's amazing to see the prices these days....halfway tempted every now and again. When I wanted an extra card (PCIe) they were still in the thousands.....
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Re: Pro Tools 10HD vs 8HD + Accel cards
Thanks for the input guys...
I mix records for a living, so occasionally yes I get "crazy" sessions. I just mixed a song that was 90something stereo tracks (so 180+ voices) BEFORE I started adding production. On my 10 laptop it ran fairly painlessly, but moving to the HD system required a lot of bouncing/stems. I feel like I've seen comparison charts that said that 10 HD increased track count but maybe I'm wrong... |
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