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Old 11-08-2002, 07:57 PM
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Default OT: Do artists really know their songs are overcompressed?

Hello all!

I shall talk about mainly Pop music.

Well, Do artists really know their songs are overcompressed as hell?

I've been wondering about this.
Is it artists' fault or enginners' fault?
(Or PT's fault...)
Artists are basically pure. They could be easily fooled....
Just take one CD which you recently bought, and import the songs into PT and see the wave forms..
oh well, but I don't know if you can see'em. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

When will this end? Even my favorite artists' songs (like Radiohead) are over compressed as hell, and I've been wondering if they really know what has done to their songs.

Their songs sound good, but the songs could have sounded better.

What the hell do you think? [img]images/icons/cool.gif[/img]
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Old 11-08-2002, 08:30 PM
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Default Re: OT: Do artists really know their songs are overcompressed?

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Well, Do artists really know their songs are overcompressed as hell?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Some of them can tell, some of them can't... It doesn't make a difference, sadly...

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Is it artists' fault or enginners' fault?
(Or PT's fault...)
Artists are basically pure. They could be easily fooled....
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">It's done by the mastering engineer at the producer's request (actually, it's become such a common practice now, that the producer would have to ask the mastering house NOT to squash the tracks.) A sad fact of the music business is that artists usally don't even have a say in these things. Even when they do, most of them don't want their CDs to sound weak next to other artists'.

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When will this end?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I wouldn't hold my breath...

Peace,
Al.
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Old 11-08-2002, 08:54 PM
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Default Re: OT: Do artists really know their songs are overcompressed?

fwiw,you have to see it as a matter of taste...
some prefer squash.. some don't...
don't get me wrong... but sometimes it becomes part of their music.
imagine every album sounding alike...that would be quite boring...
like you said their song sound good, but song could sound better...
wonder why...
just a thought.
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Old 11-08-2002, 09:10 PM
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Default Re: OT: Do artists really know their songs are overcompressed?

Actually, every album does sound alike now !
That's the whole problem.
Everybody's trying to make their cds louder than the other guys. What you end up with in many cases, is nothing but a big ugly block, when you import it into protools.

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Old 11-09-2002, 12:26 AM
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Default Re: OT: Do artists really know their songs are overcompressed?

What percentage of the market buys CD's to import into ProTools?
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Old 11-09-2002, 01:51 AM
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Default Re: OT: Do artists really know their songs are overcompressed?

Being a professional musician who makes records for a major label, I have felt this dilemma first hand. The main problem is digital VS analog mastering. Most new albums are mastered using digital/multi band means, therefore ending up not breathing like an analog job. On our last album we tried mastering using an old school analog mastering studio and engineer that had done some very famous rock records in the last 30 years. Although it was warm and breathed nice, when played next to other albums that we would be competing against, it was significantly lower in level. Most purists will tell you to ignore that. But it gets tough to ignore when you put your own CD in your player and have to turn it up 25% higher than the CD you just took out. You feel a little like you just made a several hundred thousand dollar demo. And here is the big one.....Radio stations compress everything, using a variety of different compressors from station to station. Would you rather have a CD that is going to have the **** pumped out of it because the level is low by god-knows-what compressor some station manager purchased, or a CD that you mastered digitally with high levels therefore lessening the effect radio compressors? I choose to do the digital compressing, get the level up, and try to find a balance of some sort between the levels, sound, air and. But in the end your just not going to win overall. You are gonna give up one thing or the next. I can't agree more about what you are saying. But I am a musician, DO know the difference, and still am stuck with it to an extent, unless the rest of the industry goes back to strictly analog mastering. The Radiohead Kid A album is one of the hottest albums I know of. It's compressed beyond belief. But for that album I think it lends to the sound of it. I love how hot the organ it when the first cut comes in. That’s my 2 pennies on this one.
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Old 11-09-2002, 01:53 AM
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Oh.....and PS, it never has occured to me that someone may take my album and put it into Pro Tools just to see the bandwidth! One more thing to worry about [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] !
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Old 11-09-2002, 02:14 AM
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Default Re: OT: Do artists really know their songs are overcompressed?

I don't go around importing CDs into ProTools because I'm bored.
[img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

From time to time, I do quite a few edits/clean version of various stuff.

Sometimes I work with mastered stuff, other times not.

I've done enough edits in my time, to know that many things are getting more and more "Squarey " looking these days. Obviously, that translates into the final sound.

If somebody chooses to have a "loud as hell" CD, that's their choice, but I certainly wouldn't want my mix to come back all clipped out from mastering.

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Old 11-09-2002, 02:22 AM
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Default Re: OT: Do artists really know their songs are overcompressed?

I do agree with you however, that %100 analogue mastering is not going to cut it nowadays, in my opinion.

You do need the digital limiter/compressor as the last mastering step to pump up the mix, but it's just that way too many go overboard, but that's a matter of opinion, I suppose.
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Old 11-09-2002, 04:12 AM
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Default Re: OT: Do artists really know their songs are overcompressed?

(Or PT's fault...)?? Ha Ha!!!

Thats like saying the Gun is responsible for the Murder...Har.... [img]images/icons/cool.gif[/img]
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