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Overmodulation above -6 db
I recently upgraded to Pro Tools 10. I noticed that anytime I bring the level of anything above -6 it distorts. Any ideas why? Is this normal for pro tools? I know other DAWs don't distort until 0, so I can't imagine this would not be the case for pro tools. What am I doing wrong?
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Re: Overmodulation above -6 db
Are you sending a +4 signal into a -10 input maybe?
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Re: Overmodulation above -6 db
Nowhere near enough info
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Re: Overmodulation above -6 db
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Just guessing ...Maybe your preamp or converter is clipping before going to your audio card ..But like i said just gessing ...because i dont know all the hardware youre using and the configuration ... Maybe more info could help !
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Re: Overmodulation above -6 db
Is the term Overmodulation ever used in just an audio context? If so, what does it mean?
I'm familiar with Overmodulation from my AM radio days...in smaller markets we were not only DJs, we were also "transmitter operators", which meant we could get popped pretty hard by the FCC for something like "willful persistent overmodulation", but I've just never heard it used outside of a broadcast context...
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Re: Overmodulation above -6 db
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Tought this is a not "standard" description for a distorted signal it is a right definition . http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overmodulation The OP is right .
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Re: Overmodulation above -6 db
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Well...not quite... "... and distortion of the recovered modulating signal." recovered modulating signal is the key phrase... "recovered" is referring to the reception of the received signal, i.e. picking it up with a radio. The audio signal itself is not distorted on the sending end. There is not any audio distortion at any point. So, the OP was not quite right with his description. The article mentioned "spurious emissions"...that is the cause of the distortion heard on the receiving end of the transmission. Basically, the broadcast signal gets "wrapped" in these "spurious emissions" which cause interference that results in distortion being heard, although the audio portion itself is not distorted. And by the way...back in the day you could not call yourself a DJ unless someone had accused your entire radio show of being "spurious emissions"...
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Re: Overmodulation above -6 db
Hi Bill youre right,
I agree that in the article in a knowledge sense it is intended to be interpreted as a radio signal . But in practice ; on this camp ( audio recording ), there are : transducers ( guitar ) , there are mediums ( mics ) and there receptors ( ears ) . So this principle applies on recording too my friend . The last phrase says : "Although overmodulation ( distortion ) is sometimes considered permissible, it should not occur in practice; a distorted waveform envelope ( audio wave ) will result in a distorted output signal of the receiving medium ( mic , converter or ears , depends on how do you see it )" . So here another article from " TriggerTone " : Over Modulation From Chace Audio Over Modulation occurs when a signal, (be it from an acoustic source, such as sound recorded into a microphone, or an electronic signal passing through a console), is too loud for its intended target to handle. When this happens, the microphone or recording electronics' acceptable operating levels are exceeded, and the result is distortion. Tags: ANOMALY, RESTORATION Related Terms: CLASH, CLIPPING, DISTORTION, HOT, INTERMODULATION DISTORTION, PEAK DISTORTION http://www.triggertone.com/term/Over_Modulation So if your point is that the OP not right on the correct interpretation you're maybe right as long youre are seeing it as a radio station view point . But we are not here radio stations or something like that ... so I know everyone here including you known very well what the OP means when he said " overmodulation " that is that distorted signal . So I think is right ! And pleassure to talk ! p.d. " sorry for my english "
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Re: Overmodulation above -6 db
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"Modulate" means "change" which is why the term was originally adopted in broadcast: The modulating (audio) signal changes the carrier signal. Which is in line with my original question as to usage of the term as it was being used by the OP. While I could see someone using, "Over Modulation occurs when a signal, (be it from an acoustic source ..." for a quick-and-dirty layman's explanation of distortion, he's wrong on two counts, not only is he misusing the word modulate, what he's actually describing is overloading an input stage. But hey...it's Friday night...Does any of this really matter anyway? I've got my little miniature-dachshund-I-share-custody-of-with-my-ex-wife here to keep me company, along with two boxes of Girl Scouts "Thin Mints"...and that's a Friday night? God, I'm getting old...
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