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Re: Midi through delay with hardware synths
You can open a support case with Avid and/or make an entry in Ideascale here:
http://protools.ideascale.com/ There might be a better shot if they can duplicate it with a support case, which should be easy at a 1024 buffer if they have any outboard gear to test with. Of course they might just say that it is by design and if so, get the explanation why.
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Then I ask... who are the beta testers? Oh... got it, WE are beta testers, but we have to pay for it. Incredible that Avid let this happen through so many updates, I insist... they don't care about music production. 12.7 is supposed to be aimed at music creators because it comes with more wav loops! Wow THANK YOU Avid! But where is ARA implementation?, where is the stability for using Virtual Instruments?, where is the tight midi implementation that we Musicians really need? Why you don't fix all these ancient midi bugs? We don't need collaboration (broken btw), we don't need wav loops, we need a tight software like your competition, Cubase 9 came out with new features over a solid and stable piece of software. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Re: Midi through delay with hardware synths
Yeah... The only thing I can conclude from my testing is that this is what I have to do to get rid of the MIDI-thru delay with my MOTU Midi Timepiece AV USB when using Pro Tools. Other midi interfaces might not have this problem but, since the problem was inside Pro Tools, I suspect that they do. People just put up with it because they don't know it can be MUCH better. They get used to latency because they deal with it all the time with VI's.
I lived through the 80's. I know what midi can do. There should be very very little latency when playing live synths via midi, through ProTools or any DAW - no matter where the audio buffer is set. For me, this is true of every piece of software I have used except Pro Tools. At least I know the workaround. If they fix it in the future, then so much the better, but I'm not holding my breath. Us live-hardware-synth-guys are a dying breed and to cater to such a small part of the market is probably not a good business decision in their eyes. In trolling the 'net for tidbits to help me figure this out, it seems pretty widespread that a lot of people would prefer to do midi-heavy projects in DAWs other that Pro Tools. I know I do.
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Thats the only thing I really miss about Digital Performer, I miss the timing of their midi, the patch lists of most hardware synths, etc, etc. Midi with hardware Synths its a Joke in Protools, even with your "workaround" if you have a heavy plug in inserted on your master buss you would get an out of sync midi playback. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Hmmm... I don't think I've experienced delay on the playback side of things with external synths because I monitor them live from the console. When I'm ready, I record them into Pro Tools. I'm not monitoring them IN pro tools until they are recorded as audio. I don't want to mess around with monitoring them in PT. That's why I've got this giant console! I do agree with you about DP though. It's my go-to for midi projects. Been using DP since 1986. It's my native language.
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Then I'm doing something wrong because I use a giant console for my hardware synths too, and if I have heavy plug ins on the master buss of protools my hardware synths playback earlier and I have to adjust manually the midi track offset preference. I guess DP, Logic, Cubase adjust this parameter against audio latency automatically. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Last edited by del cosmos; 12-11-2016 at 10:09 PM. |
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And yes I too monitor my hardware synths through a console. |
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The bug is that the delay stays where the buffer is set when the file is opened and does not change when the buffer setting is changed after that. If you open it with a big buffer setting, you'll get a big midi-thru delay. The only way to get an acceptable amount of latency is to open the file with the buffer set as low as possible. Once the file is open, the buffer can be set to whatever is preferred and the midi thru data is not affected - no matter where you set it.
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Timothy Ripley Composer, engineer, musician ripcurrentmedia.com [SIZE="1"]Mac Pro (Late 2013) 3.5 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon E5, 32 GB 1866 MHz DDR3 AMD FirePro D500 3072 MB, Dual 4Tb Thunderbolt G Drives Acer B326HUL 32" 2560 X 1440, VIZIO video monitor Mojave 10.114.6, Pro Tools 20.3.0.163 Digital Performer 10.11, MOTU 1248 (Thunderbolt), MOTU 2408 MkII (x2), MOTU MTP AV USB (x2) |
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Re: Midi through delay with hardware synths
Confirmed, very annoying bug, still present in 2019.6...
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Re: Midi through delay with hardware synths
And 2019.12. I always have to startup PT twice with the lowest buffer trick, and even then it's not perfect!
This seems such a serious bug, I wonder why Avid is taking so long to fix it? |
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