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Old 03-03-2006, 06:44 PM
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Default An End To The Loudness Wars? UAs Precision Limiter

I hope this works. I’m glad someone is stepping up to the table and addressing this issue:


A revolutionary new metering system could change the face of professional audio and bring an end to the loudness wars. The Precision Limiter now supports K-System metering, developed by mastering engineer Bob Katz. Learn about this new approach and the promise it holds for audio dynamics in the future.



http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2006/march/index2.html


I love the stab at Waves.

"A manual for a digital limiter reads: 'For best results, start out with a threshold of -6 dBFS.' This is like saying, 'always put a teaspoon of salt and pepper on your food before tasting it.' This kind of widespread misinformation does not encourage proper production practice. A gain reduction meter is not an indication of loudness."

At least that's what my L2 manual says! hehehe
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Old 03-03-2006, 06:52 PM
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Great, so UAD should port the Precision Limiter and Multiband to TDM (along with their Fairchild, Boss Chorus, and Dimension D).


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Old 03-03-2006, 07:23 PM
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Are these PI TDM?
They don't look like according the uaudio web site.
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Old 03-04-2006, 12:37 AM
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Are these PI TDM?
They don't look like according the uaudio web site.
No, which makes me wonder why it is posted here. I want this plug-in to be TDM.
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Old 03-04-2006, 08:49 AM
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If I'm not mistaken, SpectraFoo has had K System metering for years. This is nothing new, and certainly won't change anything in the loudness wars.
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Old 03-04-2006, 09:00 AM
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...and... IXL has the K-system.

I use K-14 as my reference. Great concept! Bob Katz has been preaching this for many years... this is not a new thing... but since UA has jumped on the bandwagon, maybe more people with give it some consideration, and it may help some people make better mixes.
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Old 03-04-2006, 02:47 PM
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Might not be new, but the concept of limiting AND metering simultaneously, is certainly a good idea. Now, I have not tried it, but if the metering is anything usable, and the limiting good, and eventually TDM based, well, I'm in.
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UA doesn't give a crap about TDM. they're going up against it now.
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Old 03-04-2006, 06:29 PM
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By all means, use good meters and use the K14 system (I do). But this bringing about “the end of ‘loudness wars’?” You’ll have to pardon my skepticism.

Show a client your K14 meters and—if he’s the kind overly concerned with loudness—you know he’s bound to say something along the lines of… “Can’t you just fill that empty space at the top with more volume?”
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Old 03-04-2006, 06:51 PM
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Show a client your K14 meters and—if he’s the kind overly concerned with loudness—you know he’s bound to say something along the lines of… “Can’t you just fill that empty space at the top with more volume?”
I have to saddly agree.

I've always been against "Brick Wall Limiting" in recent trends, I'm "With Bob... 100%" I think Led Zepplin records are considerably less fatiguing to listen to then the new Gwen Steffani, Kelly Clarkson, "Whoever records"....

But now... when I'm mixing a record... I check my mixes with an L2 cranked up, to the point where it starts effecting my peaks... "Just to hear what today's limiting is going to do to my mixes" and I almost Always make changes to my mix, to accomodate leveling - brutal... I know.... BUT...

Even when I'm in the mastering room... with the mastering engineer, if the final product isn't "loud enough" the A&R / Record company weasles, Client, Client's Manager, Clients Mother.... AREN"T going to be happy.

You, me, and Bob.... we're engineers... we want more dynamics, less "Squash", we want what's best.... but we're engineers.

Basicly "We" all agree... regardless of the availabillity of technology to avoid Squashing, (which really we already have, built in to the sides of our head)... How do we convince "THEM' ??

No... not just "him"... "All of them" .... and "Mother" too.?
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