Just paid my yearly upgrade PT fee, feeling ill...

[JFreak]

Originally Posted by jscomposer

Can you elaborate on this? If you could compare it to Reaper, the only other DAW I'm familiar with and still use on occasion, that'd be great. But any comparison would be cool.

It was introduced in PT 7.4 and hasn't been improved ever since. It is the modus operandi of Avid apparently; to implement something only to let it be like MIDI which as of today's standards is ridiculous.

My friend is using Logic for Elastic stuff and likes it a lot more than PT. Sad but true.

[SomeOtherGuy]

Using Elastic Audio on most sources produces all manner of warbling artifacts and other unpleasant surprises. Logic's Flex Time is much better. I don't know anything about Reaper.

[zion]

Originally Posted by EricWillhelm

But you stlll paid the money. That's how/why they do it.

Exactly! That sends a message to them. I let my upgrade subscription end. I may get back in if things get better but right now I'm really liking Studios one 3.

[moshuajusic]

Originally Posted by JFreak

It was introduced in PT 7.4 and hasn't been improved ever since. It is the modus operandi of Avid apparently; to implement something only to let it be like MIDI which as of today's standards is ridiculous.

My friend is using Logic for Elastic stuff and likes it a lot more than PT. Sad but true.

Originally Posted by SomeOtherGuy

Using Elastic Audio on most sources produces all manner of warbling artifacts and other unpleasant surprises. Logic's Flex Time is much better. I don't know anything about Reaper.

That's not been my experience. With monophonic, real-time processing, I do occasionally get artifacts on certain sources, but switching to x-form/rendered seems to fix it. I don't have Logic, but trying Flex Time in Garage Band gave me far more pronounced garbage. Even with small adjustment, sounds like the vocalist is blowing bubbles under water with a chorus effect. lol Am I doing it wrong? Are there some quality settings buried somewhere?

[SomeOtherGuy]

I'm referring to Flex Time in Logic, not Garageband. There's no way with Elastic Audio/X-Form to quantize slight timing variations in a polyphonic audio acoustic piano or marimba track without a lot of artifacts. Doing these corrections with Logic's Flex Time for these two particularly difficult audio sources produce much better results than all the options in Pro Tools.

[moshuajusic]

Originally Posted by SomeOtherGuy

I'm referring to Flex Time in Logic, not Garageband. There's no way with Elastic Audio/X-Form to quantize slight timing variations in a polyphonic audio acoustic piano or marimba track without a lot of artifacts. Doing these corrections with Logic's Flex Time for these two particularly difficult audio sources produce much better results than all the options in Pro Tools.

I just used elastic audio to nudge a couple Horowitz and Lang Lang performances of Chopin and I have no idea what you're talking about. For slight nudges, polyphonic worked fine. For bolder stretches I had to use x-form to avoid warbling. Either way, it's reckless to make absolute proclamations like "there's no way."

[SomeOtherGuy]

So you slightly nudged some random Lang Lang piano, but were you quantizing it to a fixed tempo? To a click track? Lang Lang and Horowitz never record to a click track so how would you have done this? I'm not talking about speeding things up or down a little, or moving some random warp markers.

I've been working with Elastic Audio and X-Form on piano tracks, marimba tracks, vibraphone, etc., for 4 years. I know it inside and out. I've also worked with Logic's Flex Time for over 4 years, and I can tell you it's in a different league. That's not a reckless statement, sorry, but your statement may be reckless, if you are coming to your conclusion based on the nudging of a few Lang Lang piano recordings. If you record polyphonic piano audio to fixed click and then try to quantize the audio, good luck with Elastic Audio. Flex Time is also not perfect, but it's a lot better. I stand by my original statement 100%. Quantizing using Melodyne within Pro Tools, however time-consuming it may be, is also way better.

[moshuajusic]

Originally Posted by SomeOtherGuy

So you slightly nudged some random Lang Lang piano, but were you quantizing it to a fixed tempo? To a click track? Lang Lang and Horowitz never record to a click track so how would you have done this? I'm not talking about speeding things up or down a little, or moving some random warp markers.

I've been working with Elastic Audio and X-Form on piano tracks, marimba tracks, vibraphone, etc., for 4 years. I know it inside and out. I've also worked with Logic's Flex Time for over 4 years, and I can tell you it's in a different league. That's not a reckless statement, sorry, but your statement may be reckless, if you are coming to your conclusion based on the nudging of a few Lang Lang piano recordings. If you record polyphonic piano audio to fixed click and then try to quantize the audio, good luck with Elastic Audio. Flex Time is also not perfect, but it's a lot better. I stand by my original statement 100%. Quantizing using Melodyne within Pro Tools, however time-consuming it may be, is also way better.

You made an absolute, sweeping claim based on personal experience. My "conclusion" was just skepticism. I tried quantizing some acoustic guitar I recorded to a click, and it came out better in Garageband. Quantizing vocal harmonies came out better in PT; the quantization itself was hit or miss in both, but the vocal quality was more transparent in PT. When it comes to stretching voice (or soloing one of the harmonies after quantizing), GB is still giving me the underwater chorus effect even on small stretches, while PT is much cleaner. Can you (or someone) post an example of stretching a vocal in Logic? Could be just 1 sustained vowel lengthened, or a whole phrase stretched out. The videos I'm seeing on youtube are all about pitch correction or quantization. That's not what I'm trying to do on vocals.

[Southsidemusic]

Try searching for "Time stretching" audio/vocals in logic.

I think thats what you are after, if not then sorry for butting in

[soybalm]

X-Form+1
On the OP, I let my subscription run out. I had HD, which I never asked for! They wanted to 299 to downgrade to vanilla, then I would pay 99 per year. I just don't have the spare coin.