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Old 02-18-2003, 12:56 AM
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Default Editing tom tracks - your approach?

Quick show of hands... Who here is editing out the space between tom hits on individual tom tracks, and who prefers the bleed? In the ProTools vid, they recommending editing out the bleed to "open up the kit." I had an engineer work with me on some of my mixes, and the first thing he did was heal all separations on the tom tracks. He said the bleed makes it sound more organic in his opinion. What's your approach?
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Old 02-17-2003, 01:06 PM
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Default Re: Editing tom tracks - your approach?

I cut the up the toms and just leave the hits, and cut out all the bleed.
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Old 02-17-2003, 02:05 PM
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Default Re: Editing tom tracks - your approach?

I leave it in. It sounds more like a real drum set, and the bleed helps thicken things up. In a dense mix, it might be too much tho - just depends on what type of sound you're going for.
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Old 02-17-2003, 03:01 PM
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Default Re: Editing tom tracks - your approach?

I edit them out. This way when you turn up a Tom, you turn up the Tom hit, rather than the "wowooowowwoow" ringing that heppens everytime they hit something else.

If you leave them in, you'll also get phasing problems since those mics pick up a bit of the other drums. Doing so does "open up the kit" in respect that you dont have channels in the mix that cancel each other. Sometimes the phasing is negligible, sometimes it's a lot depending on your micing techniques.

I edit out just about everything like that, I leave the Overheads intact to provide that space in between the close mic'd tracks. sometimes this is a chore (try being in a death metal band) and sometimes it's not all that hard (my rock band is a cinch.)

Dont forget about strip silence, it takes some tweaking, but it can save you some time...

Hope that helps...
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Old 02-17-2003, 03:47 PM
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Default Re: Editing tom tracks - your approach?

i edit them out and trigger them also for a midi track. i don't edit or gate the snare, although i also make a midi track of it.
maybe if you're going for a more organic drumsound you can leave it, but the rumble and phase don't contribute to a tight drum sound in my opinion.
btw i use beyer opus 87 for toms and like them really well. check them out !
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Old 02-17-2003, 04:03 PM
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Default Re: Editing tom tracks - your approach?

leave'em. Otherwise I may as well just record a midi sample. Natural can still be 'open' - use a gate to balance out the ringing overtones.
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